@tour2ma said:

You can use my HA! whenever you want.......I have vanquished my memory of Hortons last stay in Browns town...

That New England game did me in......

@flyin-j said:

Is it possible he has the most weapons since 99?

Yes sir J, It's not only possible it's fact. As for as athleticism goes I think he's the best we've had, and the fact we have considerably more talent will make him better. I believe he will be around here a while.

GO BROWNS !!!!

@mudfly said:

Was it something I said? The fact that I "borrowed" your "HA!" in a thread the other day...

Yup... my bad (memory) again... It was Jauron running the D under Patsy (Shurmur)...

But I remember Horton's "imaginative" D being pretty vanilla that year under Chud. And the aggression gap between Chud and Hue may even be greater than it was between Hue and Patsy.

As for practices you may be right about the fun, but reports the pace of practice this season far exceed anything I can remember being advertised since maybe as far back as Butch(?).

Then again it's my memory... everything since 1999 is pretty much a blur... not even a very fuzzy one at that...

@adoug319 said:

Russell wasn't giving it up, so she had to look elsewhere...

@tour2ma said:

Does Patsy = Shurmur?.....because Horton was here under Chud....which is interesting because THIS years team reminds me very very very much of Chuds team.....lets have a look, shall we????

Offensive minded head coach?.....check

Player coach?.....check

Players having FUN at practice?.....check....(remember how happy we were about Pettine showing up with some discipline, because practice was supposed to be work???)(and now, AGAIN, we are excited to have A players coach?)(so, which is it, fun or discipline?)

Ray Horton defense?......check

Experienced high end O coordinator?....check

Ballistic receivers?.....check...........(remember, in 2013, Cameron went off and had a Pro bowl year and Josh Gordon had the BEST year ANY receiver has ever had)(mosy passing yds for a Browns team in forever)......and we still sucked, btw.....cause????......(defense)

Aggressive blitzy defense?.....check.....(remember the Pats game(3 or 4 tds in the 4th)....or, ftm, ALL the games we were leading in that we then gave up at the end????)....check check.....

That was the year our D-line and O-line were being touted as our strengths and some of the best in the league(not).....we had new vicious LB's who would stop the run and get to the QB(Mingo and Kruger)(oh my, hahahahahaha)....our D-line was gonna maul QB's and had some new up and comers named Winn, Hughes and 2 Bryants......

So.....our offense had little running game, BUT we had over 4000 yds passing and, supposedly, a mad scientist running the D....But, what really happened was our D sucked rocks and gave up lead after lead after lead.....and, even with the BEST receiver in the league and a Pro-bowl TE, we still got outscored.....game after game after game....

And those talentless blitzes ?????.....only freed up the opposing QB's to pick us apart......too many blitz, using people who cant seal the deal, is like a points buffet for QB's and O coordinators who know wtf they are doing....

Yep....2016 looks A LOT like 2013......just saying

If there's any truth in what I think I'm seeing, the reason may lay in the personalities of the HCs Ray was under during each stint: Patsy vs. Hue. I've no doubt Patsy was the more conservative of the two... and not by a small amount.

Do we know that our defense will be this bad? Of course not, but it's safe to say we don't exactly have a bevy of talent. Offensively, we may be a few steps above last season, but that's not a given. Patience will be required. If we're down by two scores and the defense knows we're passing it, RG III will have to trust his reads and make quick decisions. And do so under duress.

We need to look at big picture aspects. Can RG III play well enough the entire season to warrant being the guy next year? In the end, that's what we're looking for. Yes, we're all sick and tired of playing for next year, but we HAVE to stabilize the qb position and by association, the coaching staff. If RG III remains healthy, plays well enough to lock down the job, and helps us win some games, the season will probably be a success based on him alone. Once you have the qb, other pieces can be assembled. Now, what does that type of year look like statistically? I'm guessing at least 20 tds, 3 more on the ground, 12 or so picks, and 5-6 wins. Those numbers obviously won't blow anybody's skirt up, but it would be a nice start.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Next thing we know they'll be marryin' our women and takin' our jobs

Sorry, I had to.

@darkside5 said:

I don't know if he's top anything, but I do know this. He's the best we've had since 1999.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Specially them there NC hick schools with them crackers.....

Next thing we know they'll be marryin' our women and takin' our jobs

Zombo said:

Apparently, RG3 liked this Estonian trackster from FSU.

Hope she likes Strongsville.

http://dailysnark.com/rg3-new-smoking-hot-estonian-girlfriend-divorcing-wife/

Zombo

Her name is Grete Sadeiko.. Check out his arm

@falcon7 said:

Don't you always upgrade the wife after the money rolls in?

Mr. religious (Russell Wilson) even dumped his 1st wife for a, "Hotter Model".

Russell Wilson divorced his wife because she fucked Golden Tate

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Specially them there NC hick schools with them crackers.....

Mr. religious (Russell Wilson) even dumped his 1st wife for a, "Hotter Model".

Can't have that....next we'll be talking about lettin em go to our schools.

@miktoxic said:

agree.

BUT speaking of the preseason and over-inflated optimism.......just watched colt mccoy do a 360 spin move that broke a jet's DE's ankles and then ran for 15 yards. so......can we slow the roll for a sec and let everyone grasp reality?

What I'm sayin mik, it's not going to be a difficult task to out perform our QB play for the last 16 years. I think that is reality. The best we've had up to now is RG III's backup. But time will tell and I am optimistic Griffin can get the job done.

GO BROWNS !!!

Zombo said:

Apparently, RG3 liked this Estonian trackster from FSU.

Hope she likes Strongsville.

http://dailysnark.com/rg3-new-smoking-hot-estonian-girlfriend-divorcing-wife/

Zombo

@diehardbrownsfan said:

He don't like black women?

@darkside5 said:

agree.

BUT speaking of the preseason and over-inflated optimism.......just watched colt mccoy do a 360 spin move that broke a jet's DE's ankles and then ran for 15 yards. so......can we slow the roll for a sec and let everyone grasp reality?

@skippinturtles said:

can we let the year play out before we say he's better than either?

he's an upgrade from nothing, that's for sure but that means absofuckinglutely nothing.....cuz we had nothing except a steady backup as a starter the last couple of years.

top 15? yeah his rookie year. anything after that?

nope. didn't think so.

let's just hope he stays healthy so he can be a top 30 QB.