don't have the advantage plan, was advised against it. Made sense, I

just don't remember why.

Well, it only made sense the third time I heard it, because my Wifie

interpreted.....

I love the coverage I have now. Plan f... or g... don't remember.

I just don't want it screwed up by racistasswholesombeitchcare.

I put Mom in a "free" Humana advantage plan that as best I could judge was at least the equal of Medicare. But once Home care came into the picture Humana was far more restrictive than Medicare. For profit insurers are in the business of denying claims

The only penalty Insurers pay if they chose not to participate in "exchanges", be they state or federal, is the loss of access to Medicaid compensation for administering their participation.... i.e., no play, no pay...

It was always believed that the earliest years of Obamacare were going to bring the highest payouts/ lowest profits. Clearly the case since the previously "uninsurable" due to pre-existing conditions including inability to afford premiums were a large share of the influx. Folks who had been deferring care for perhaps years were going to cost more.

This cost spike should abate with time as preventative care takes hold. Hopefully companies who either bailed or chose to never join during the "bad times" will not be allowed to participate once outlays normalize.

but if they have a loss, and they pull out of the exchanges...

doesn't there exist penalites from Obamaocare?

Or, in the least, does it make it harder for them to

comply with all the interference from Obamaocare laws?

it's a clusterfook. My supplemental pays what Medicare doesn't.

I had my new awesome knee surgery, and I had to pay...

156 dollars deductable. I don't know if they pull out of the exchanges..

if their premiums go up hugely for everybody...

beats me.

Second, your linked article only says Aetna has cancelled expansion plans and is reviewing its current coverage areas (states). Also mentions "other majors" having been driven out, but doesn't bother to list them. I know of one, United Health, that pulled it's participation in the Obamacare exchanges... they weren't losing money in the Obamacare segment, their rate of return simply wasn't up to the level of their private policy segments.

Did you know that if Obamacare is the source of Aetna's losses, then they can simply pull out of the exchanges? Not nearly as sexy a headline is it?

@mld-woody said:

Yeah Woodley, just go with that.

You dems make policy decisions based on compassion and emotions which results in bitching because people are now being screwed...but go ahead and flip it you simpleton.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

and always remember..."you didn't build that".

@westside-steve said:

You have to share the wealth my friend, share the wealth......

@calfoxwc said:

My wife's insurance used to be top notch until Obamacare came around. It was offered for free through her employer (a private Catholic hospital) and we both had surgeries (appendix and a gallbladder removal) that cost us nothing. We didn't have to pay if it went over a certain amount etc. After Obamacare, they could no longer afford to do it for the employees.

what a mass emotional knee jerk.

WSS

meanwhile, there's stuff like this:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/05/22/former-marine-cant-find-a-doctor-for-his-obamacare-insurance-plan-so-he-says-the-company-actually-suggested-he-just-do-this/

My work handles all that shit, I just choose a plan