@inspecta said:

If anybody tells you they know or have a good idea of what the Browns are going to do on Saturday they are completely effin' lying to your face.

The Browns don't even know what the Browns are going to do.

That's a classic quote. From what I've heard, Sanchez is the key to this whole draft. Seattle's off-season moves have been pointing to Crabtree, but they also need a QB. I think the browns are in much the same boat. I'd be willing to bet the Browns are looking to acquire either Sanchez or Crabtree. They have the framework in place to move either way, with both Brady/Edwards on the trading block, and both for first rounders. If you guys get Crabtree, Edwards is gone, if you get Sanchez, Quinn is gone.

Why are you smitten with Quinn? The guy will never make a good NFL QB, and my guess is your coach (Mangini) is not impressed with him (however, he can't get rid of him without a backup plan). Any pick over 22 overall is a steal for a bust QB. There is no way I would've ended my season over a bunk finger. It's too hard to get into this league as a starter, especially at QB. They should've had to restrain the guy, if he was really any good.

Anyways, Daniel Snyder is now smitten with Sanchez and he's gonna do his best to throw away his draft to get Sanchez. KC or Seattle is going to end up trading their spots away to someone to get Sanchez. Seattle trading gives the Browns the scenario they want most, as I believe you are primarily after Crabtree (since he is technically a better value at 5 than is Sanchez). KC trading means your likely to get Orapko, and that'll keep you from acquiring another 1st round pick later.

@flugel said:

Just remember 1 REALLY important thing when we discuss the fate of a Head Coach and GM. Nobody remembers the knuckleheads who drafted Ryan Leaf or Alex Smith; but it doesn't take longer than 1 second to remind us WHO drafted Tom Brady or Jim Kelly. These guys don't grow on trees so while I fully accept there's jockeying and a wide range of varying opinions on the top 40 rated guys - teams lacking the right QB aren't ever in the post season competing for anything special. Take us for example. Sipe and Kosar were special so December and January were exciting. I think this makes us ready for the next part below.

If we DRAFT Sanchez, I could see ONE really interested team drafting behind us willing to part with picks for the exchange value we want. I see Sanchez as the Trump Card to a nice trade down for whomever is in the perfect position to use it. Could be Seattle at #4 or us at #5.

If Seattle uses it, that COULD make Curry possible for us and that would NOT suck! #5 is a good spot to be in.

- Tom F.

on cleveland sports radio, the theory is that they are talking up Sanchez just in case Curry starts to slide. People think if sanchez and Curry are on the board at #3, then someone may try to trade with Kansas City to get Sanchez. Then curry very likely slides to #5 for Cleveland. In cleveland, they aren't so enamored with Sanchez.

Personally, I think we ought to give Quinn a season, and put a line and running game around him.

@oldcrow1945 said:

I agree. I think Sanchez has the better arm and has been well coached. He is a fair weather california boy though and that does concern me a little. If they don't take a QB in the 1st they will later

@vaportrail said:

Here's what I wrote in Hammertime's Tradedown thread yesterday regarding Sanchez:

Just remember 1 REALLY important thing when we discuss the fate of a Head Coach and GM. Nobody remembers the knuckleheads who drafted Ryan Leaf or Alex Smith; but it doesn't take longer than 1 second to remind us WHO drafted Tom Brady or Jim Kelly. These guys don't grow on trees so while I fully accept there's jockeying and a wide range of varying opinions on the top 40 rated guys - teams lacking the right QB aren't ever in the post season competing for anything special. Take us for example. Sipe and Kosar were special so December and January were exciting. I think this makes us ready for the next part below.

If we DRAFT Sanchez, I could see ONE really interested team drafting behind us willing to part with picks for the exchange value we want. I see Sanchez as the Trump Card to a nice trade down for whomever is in the perfect position to use it. Could be Seattle at #4 or us at #5.

If Seattle uses it, that COULD make Curry possible for us and that would NOT suck! #5 is a good spot to be in.

- Tom F.

@inspecta said:

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I'm sure you are correct as far as they don't know because they are unsure how the four picks before them are going to go and what may be offered from this day until the moment they are on the clock.

But I'm sure they know what they are going to do if things remain status Quo.....If they don't know five days before the draft then shame on them.

Still could come down to weighing the decision of the offer for either QB come draft day if Sanch is at 5.

Sanchez feels like the pivot point. After Stafford goes one to Detroit and a tackle (Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe) two to the Rams, it's anyone's guess, starting with Kansas City. Seattle likes Sanchez and Michael Crabtree (and a tackle, maybe) at four. I've heard Cleveland (picking fifth) and Washington have already discussed a deal if Sanchez is still on the board at five. I don't expect Sanchez to be there at five.

mikeyP72 said:

So you are saying my brain doesn't work as good as no brain??

@ballpeen said:

I am not saying anything against Quinn at all.....just wondering if we have had time to present anything....or even print up playbooks at this point.

I wonder if we aren't just assuming that has happened.....maybe I have missed something but I don't recall reading where the qb's have had in depth sessions with the OC or whoever.

They may have had some general discussions on philosophy and such, but that isn't anything that would throw someone way behind.

Have I missed something??

Pretty sure Kokinis was quoted as saying Quinn's with Dabol working on the playbook.

Sanchez may have a higher upside, however, and I really like his game and him a lot. He definitely has all the intangibles and I think he could start right now, although preferably another vet should probably start the season off. If the right deal is there for Quinn and they can fill more voids while getting Sanchez I don't have a problem with it. My only problem will be if they hang onto DA and start him. I really can't go through that again. Best case scenarion is moving both QB's, taking Sanchez, addressing other needs and snatching a veteran FA to start the season off. All that is contingent on getting the right deal for Quinn and getting Sanchez.

I had forgot just how easliy OSU dominated that game.....And Quinn looked bad. I saw a lot of extremely ugly throws.

I'm not without my worries about Quinn. I think he needs his shot but If I got some great deal for him then I wouldn't hesitate to unload him. Even if the Browns had to wait until next year to get their QB.

@jadbf said:

Their both questions marks at this point. And I think quinn at least has a slight edge in having been here already working on the playbook ect.

Has he??

I am not saying anything against Quinn at all.....just wondering if we have had time to present anything....or even print up playbooks at this point.

I wonder if we aren't just assuming that has happened.....maybe I have missed something but I don't recall reading where the qb's have had in depth sessions with the OC or whoever.

They may have had some general discussions on philosophy and such, but that isn't anything that would throw someone way behind.

Have I missed something??

Would love to take BQ and trade the 5th pick down and get two players, but must go defense in first two rounds.

@ballpeen said:

Quinn, definitely.

Sanchez has not had anywhere near enough starts. Quinn had 4 years of starting + he's got some NFL experience.

Sanchez at bare minimum won't be ready to step in for a year and a half. I don't see how anyone would want Sanchez over Quinn.

@vaportrail said:

<sarcasm>Maybe it was because that topic has never discussed before</sarcasm>

Do I need to link you to the Internet Forum etiquette video?

Stop getting all butt-hurt, kid. Society is a tough place. You better grow a thick skin, or you're in for a shitty life.

@ballpeen said:

Sanchez....But I'm not for unloading Quinn without a great deal.

@shepwrite said:

Do I think the Browns actually like him enough to pick him? I kinda do. New administrations are like that about QBs.

Just wondering......if you could have one, without pro's and con's or hedging the answer, who would you rather have.....Quinn or Sanchez?

I've heard Cleveland (picking fifth) and Washington have already discussed a deal if Sanchez is still on the board at five. I don't expect Sanchez to be there at five.

@ballpeen said:

This.

@oldcrow1945 said:

If there would be some upset posters it would have little to do with Quinn being an Ohio guy and more of a football issue.

I think 98% of us couldn't care less where a player is from....We just want the Browns to win.

I agree. Though I think you are underrating the hometown connection with Quinn. For every Lum with a DA connection, there are 2 Quinnies who are really only interested in him.

As you said....Just win some friggen games, or at least look like a decent NFL team when you don't.

@vaportrail said:

Until you find an opposing DC with a pulse, then we are treated to the last year and a half from Drive Assassin.

I think that both QB's can terrorize defenses with protection, a running game, and receivers that can catch. You don't.

//edit

Damn, did we just have a back and forth about BQ and DA without it turning into a flamewar?