@alkid3 said:

He's better than Gabriel.

Runs tough routes. He's a viable #4

49 targets, 26 receptions 14.9 ypc 3 TD

That is 53%. 14.9 ypc 11.5% TD

Gabriel for career

53% 13.5 ypc 1.5% TD

One guy is a midget, the other is a special teams stud, no doubt who I am keeping.

Zombo

@mudfly said:

No....that was 2014 when he was hurt.....last year was the ill advised "lets turn our promising DE into an OLB experiment"...

Did you watch last week......surprising as it was, Carder was the best LB on the field......

Of course, that says as much about the team, as it does him.....but, this preseason, he is making a strong argument to make the final roster.....(and due to his play on the field, more than just ST)

Cmon.....this guy is Miamis version of Gilbert.....Tramon is the better CB

I really like Taylor in the first two games. He was everywhere.

Zombo said:

Devalve was injured up until a week more ago, so he is behind. His major input may not come until next year.

I don't why people think Marlon Moore is a joke or something, not only is he our top special teamer, but he proved last year to be a tough receiver when given a chance.

Z

ST sure hes ok. As a WR hes not good.

@tour2ma said:

Agree-a very pleasant surprise for a guy with 2 years on practice squads. Must be pretty athletic since he started 3 years on his H.S. basketball team.

@nickers said:

No....that was 2014 when he was hurt.....last year was the ill advised "lets turn our promising DE into an OLB experiment"...

@unsympathetic said:

And I'd do it again.. Neither are capable backups. They have shown repeatedly they cannot play the game at an NFL level.

Carder/Moore may be decent at ST, but you can't afford roster spots for purely ST players when your starters aren't good enough. When we don't have a good roster, you have to take a shot at a developmental/"potential" player who may become a baller. Or, at least, starter-level..

Did you watch last week......surprising as it was, Carder was the best LB on the field......

Of course, that says as much about the team, as it does him.....but, this preseason, he is making a strong argument to make the final roster.....(and due to his play on the field, more than just ST)

Zombo said:

Jamar Taylor given a chance to unseat Tra mon Williams as starting CB.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/08/browns_cornerback_jamar_taylor.html

Z

Cmon.....this guy is Miamis version of Gilbert.....Tramon is the better CB

Zombo said:

Mostert also made tackles on the punt coverage team in both games. Averaging over 8 yards a carry in the first preseason game probably helped his chance of making the team. .

Zombo

Zombo said:

Probably.

@the-gipper said:

We kept the same special teams coach, and Tabor has had a lot of say on other rosters, guess we'll have to see on this one.

Kick returners look good: Mozart as KR and Coleman PR

Mozart runs a 4.3 40 and has a 27.9 Kick return average in the NFL on 19 returns, pretty good sample size

Zombo

Zombo

Zombo said:

Key is "their guys". The current Browns FO is clearly more invested in "their guys"...as are most new FOs, and they want to see "their guys" make the team, over "the previous guy's guys).....especially if the previous guys guys were really not all that and a bag of chips.

The Browns FO is rebuilding. They have done it with the QBs, a lot of the rest of the offense, and the defense. Not sure why STs should be sacrosanct.

I just want them to get someone that can return a fucking kick.

@unsympathetic said:

They aren't decent special teamers they are very good special teamers ... which is why they have lasted.

And Moore can fill in at WR OK as well. Carder isn't much of a Linebacker, but who is? Tuggle? Scooby?

You've got your starters, key backups and guys you have invested high draft picks in. Then the last five or six guys make it on special teams.

If we have future starter-level guys on the bottom 5 or six roster spots who can also excel on special teams, I will be excited to see Carder and Moore go. I don't think that is the case.

Even the New Englands and Pittsburghs of the world keep special team studs over projects. Projects will lose you games.

Zombo

@unsympathetic said:

So would Tefler be glad as he presently the #3.

Nassib is situational for the present. Another 10-20 pound of muscle and he'll start. Right now he struggles vs. the run.

France shocked me Week 2. Actually looked like he belonged out there... not used to seeing that in our Joe T. back-ups.

@hoorta said:

So then who do you have in the slot? Tramon?

Zombo

Zombo said:

No surprise there- T Williams was pretty mediocre last year. I expect the other K Williams to be traded for a sack of seeds.

Zombo said:

And I'd do it again.. Neither are capable backups. They have shown repeatedly they cannot play the game at an NFL level.

Carder/Moore may be decent at ST, but you can't afford roster spots for purely ST players when your starters aren't good enough. When we don't have a good roster, you have to take a shot at a developmental/"potential" player who may become a baller. Or, at least, starter-level..

@nickers said:

Maybe, but that is not his problem now. I think he was suspended for PEDs for the first 4 upcoming games.....and then there is the other gun/drug issue that he has. He may not be here at all this year.

Anyone have a status report? He is/was one of our best DL.

@the-gipper said:

Notes/Questions on the Depth chart/team:

1. To me, it seems that besides Nassib, the best performing rookie so far this year has been Kindred. Anyone agree?

2. WTF is going on with Armonty Bryant. He is listed as backup DE.....but is anyone counting on him. Still no word from the league on suspension?

3. Gordon listed as 4th string? I guess he has a lot to prove to this coaching staff.

4. They have Coleman as our #1 punt returner. Is he supposed to get a crack at doing that before the regular season starts?

5. Seth DeValve, 7th string TE. 7th string. I didn't know that a team could actually go down to a 7th string.

Wasnt Armonty Bryant injured last year..?

Zombo said:

Not really that heartbroken.

@unsympathetic said:

Glad to see Telfer listed as the #2 TE.. here's hoping Hue wakes up and sees every TE as more NFL-ready than our current FB's..

K'waun couldn't be any further down the depth chart.

No way Nassib is behind Hayden at this point.. Look for Hayden to be released sometime soon..

Still think Scooby and Alexander should both be listed ahead of the bottom-of-the-52-caliber backup LB's named Carder and Tuggle.. The issue is that we know Carder/Tuggle's ceilings, and the back-of-52 slots should (IMHO) be reserved for players who have growth potential. Those guys do not..

How is Gilbert still a #2 CB?

Who is this Dan France character, and why aren't Bailey/Drango being groomed to at least be backups to both..

Jennings and Moore and Gabriel.. thanks, but goodbye.

Mostert is a KR.. because he has the most drops?

You just cut our two best special teamers, Carder and Moore.

Z