Cleveland Browns Cap Space - $50,944,223

makes you think how much this "analytics plan" is just helping jimmy spending as little money as possible and trying to build a team that way.

@stillmotion said:

+1,000,000,000,000

@calfoxwc said:

Or.....why the hell draft 4 wr's, when you have no QB and two of your best 3 offensive linemen are leaving.....and you have NO defense......??????

Please splain that one....

@opal312 said:

Too late, already been done.....including by me today. It is included in "Draft Talk"

@opal312 said:

We more or less did last week...

thanks jimma. thanks sushi. thatks deportu. thanks hue.

as many things change on the outside it's good to know that it stays the same inside.

BARF!!!

@hoorta said:

We're going 15-1

^ Holy Hell, I just typed that after week 1

@ghoolie said:

Another example of Ghoolie's ability to talk football... and his inability to keep himself from fucking it up.

@mld-woody said:

This team is built building for the future. Calm the fuck down.

fixed...

@medicineman said:

We should be a 500 team at worse EVERY YEAR...

lol... Yeah, that's how it works...

@hoorta said:

You probably remember way back about 10 years ago, I said the Browns had a zero margin for error in their draft picks.

At least now I know who to blame... too much pressure.

@calfoxwc said:

Why the hell draft your star qb when you have no wr corp to speak of, for him to throw to? and when two of your best three offensive linemen are wanting to leave?

Is this a trick question?

@calfoxwc said:

Nobody was waving pom-poms.

... said the head cheerleader...

@ghoolie said:

talent meaning coaches not players dumbass

"I never said we're gonna go 16-0" - Hue Jackson

@hoorta said:

What I saw Cal was a bunch of folks on this board waving the pom poms when they should have known better. I suppose that's OK, nothing like a good butt-kicking by a rookie quarterback to get everyone back to reality.

I'm not blaming Hue for playing the hand Sushi and Depudster dealt him. I can blame him for that cockamamie fake punt though.

We could have taken Wentz @2 and still signed Rg3... No one else was going to sign him

Not even one pom. The point is, yes, they struggled, lost, made mistakes...

but they have rebuilt their defense, their team culture. It is really, really OBVIOUS

to notice when you watched them practice.

It takes more than one game to get it all timed out right etc. Do you think that even

if they hadn't tried for that "fake punt" , that the score would have been much different?

I'm sick of the years that the Browns would NEVER try anything, just to not make any mistakes.

I like it this way better, but I'm waiting a couple of games to watch them win.

@calfoxwc said:

What I saw Cal was a bunch of folks on this board waving the pom poms when they should have known better. I suppose that's OK, nothing like a good butt-kicking by a rookie quarterback to get everyone back to reality.

I'm not blaming Hue for playing the hand Sushi and Depudster dealt him. I can blame him for that cockamamie fake punt though.

Zombo said:

Couch was the consensus #1. All these guys were projected to be starters. You tell us what year and what player to pick a QB because you are 10 times smarter than NFL people.

Z

I don't have the time or want, to go through all the blown Qb picks the Browns have done. We all know the list.

But when you have the top 3 pick and you trade it, and the team you trade it to, takes a Qb and that Qb blows you out, you have to wonder, WTF are they thinking

#1 overall and another top 5 from Philly.

@browns149 said:

those guys were not good.

We were the only team drafting those 3 guys

No one in those drafts were taking those guys were we took them

Same with Johnny and Colt. And this Kessler dude. We have over drafted the QBs we have taken, and we have passed on hall of famers.

Couch was the consensus #1. All these guys were projected to be starters. You tell us what year and what player to pick a QB because you are 10 times smarter than NFL people.

Z

a well-established team.

Titans got their superduper qb... had the first overall draft slot last year.

They weren't rebuilding.

Tampa Bay wasn't rebuilding, they got their qb last year. They drafted NINTH.

it's a team game - a star qb or several picks to rebuild your very, very expensive defense

that couldn't get it done last year with veterans. high priced veterans.

Why the hell draft your star qb when you have no wr corp to speak of, for him to throw to?

and when two of your best three offensive linemen are wanting to leave?

Hate to break to the negative whining pining nancies - but it isn't Hue's fault you are po'd, and most

all of us are po'd, about all the mediocre years of not getting it right.

Not.....their.......fault. Sorry, Mr. Hoorta, but it is moocho el stupido to only give Hue and co ONE FREAKING

GAME to turn it all around.

I see a more engaged, meaner tougher, all in defense, and an offense that can actually get first downs !!!

We used to see "2 inches and a cloud of dust" anytime they used to try to run for a first down when they

only needed one freaking yard. Wait til they start to get it together. At least NOW they DO HAVE THE TALENT

to play the game competitively.

Cept RGIII may not be that qb that gets it done. We'll see.

Zombo said:

Couch, Quinn, Weeden ...

Z

We were the only team drafting those 3 guys

No one in those drafts were taking those guys were we took them

Same with Johnny and Colt. And this Kessler dude. We have over drafted the QBs we have taken, and we have passed on hall of famers.

Zombo said:

OK from now on, I'll try to deal with the positive (Nassib, Ogbah). Even Schobert. Hey, we even got a pretty good replacement punter (kudos to you)- he's going to get a lot of work. I know you wanted to be optimistic, but 9-7? Really? Some folks (Warg) are getting POed thinking I'm just stating the obvious- but damn- (as usual) there were\are unrealistic expectations where we were headed this year.

So boo-hoo if he doesn't like me and the Ghoolster getting down on the team. I'm not so much worried about the porous defense (other than perhaps Sheldon). I'm very concerned what I've seen out of Griffin both in preseason and the Eagles game. So far, he just doesn't pass my eye test as a top NFL qb, and he's had 4 years in the league to improve. If Hue is a quarterback whisperer- I'm surely not seeing his "just trust me on Kessler" either.

You probably remember way back about 10 years ago, I said the Browns had a zero margin for error in their draft picks. Well they've batted around zero since that time. If they whiffed again on Wentz it's going to be pretty hard to take. Yeah, Quinn, Wee-done, Manziel, Frye, McCoy- not that we haven't tried. The current mantra- just trust us. Well, I don't. Not until I see a better product than what I saw 12 hours ago.