He did fairly well selling medical devices Etc to hospital so he had to travel a fair amount.

He had just enough knowledge other devices he sold and more than enough bullshit to be successful. But when he wasn't on the road I was by his side almost constantly.

Oftentimes that meant the stool beside him at the bar with a Coke and a beef stick.

I often think of the similarities and differences with his life and mine. May he rest in peace.

Chris I hope you and your old man get together before it's too late my friend.

WSS

I'm still trying to build that relationship, 20 years on, but he taught me about what it means to work your backside off to provide for your children (not that I have any). Of course, I didn't realise it at the time, but it must also have been a huge sacrifice for him missing out on a lot of the events from my (and both my brothers') childhood, on top of the hard work. I wish I could thank him for it, but he's an old school kinda guy, and really struggles with the touchy feely conversations.

@gftchris said:

A good guy for sure.

@the-cysko-kid said:

And see that is how it should be. Growing up, I saw my dad and my grandpa working all the time. It was cool because that is what guys do. If all you see your parents doing is hanging out, you will just presume that is how things are supposed to be.

"I got a dad and older brother who I know get up and go to work and sometimes they don't feel great, and they go and they grind. And I got two little boys that -- they're playing football now -- and they get hit and they get banged up and I'm trying to teach them what toughness means."

Say what you like about his football skills, he's a great guy.

@gftchris said:

Ultimately, that is the problem. If you factor in 'free' healthcare, rent, money, EBT (food), etc. , living on welfare pays out wayy more than if you were just a low skill worker trying to learn more skills on the job. This creates generational welfare recipients. Mom and dad never learned any job skills and they pass that work ethic on to the kids.

@logicisforsquares said:

And I'm sure it's exclusively millennials.

Either way, having a welfare system that pays more than minimum wage (or otherwise enables a better quality of life) is just not the right way to do it.

@mld-woody said:

I guess it depends on the hobby and what you want to do with it

I am just living in a state with a large % of the state on welfare or disability generationally so I get sick of seeing that shit.

@logicisforsquares said:

The neighbors I had as a poor student would say otherwise.

I guess it depends on the hobby and what you want to do with it

@mld-woody said:

Hobbies you couldn't afford for the most part

The neighbors I had as a poor student would say otherwise.

@logicisforsquares said:

Western world poor is pretty damn plush. Hell, I see the allure of having zero stress or responsibility. I would have all sorts of hobbies.

Hobbies you couldn't afford for the most part

@logicisforsquares said:

My family still adheres to the old ways of everyone bagging on each other and not letting any slight go unpunished haha.

You see two guys kissing in public and oh God don't say anything.

You see some woman with six kids at a gas station buying soda pop and candy with a link card..oh God don't say anything.

You see some guy at the Doc office with his luxury car parked outside in a handicapped space with the right plates and he's paying with his medical card...of God don't say anything.

@one-post said:

My family still adheres to the old ways of everyone bagging on each other and not letting any slight go unpunished haha.

The softness of maybe hurting someone's feelings is bullshit. No wonder China and Russia think we're turds. It didn't use to be this way though. We used to able to tell someone how in the fuck it is without getting clambered on by a bunch of fags.

@westside-steve said:

Western world poor is pretty damn plush. Hell, I see the allure of having zero stress or responsibility. I would have all sorts of hobbies.

WSS

Seems to me every one was basically true and the only disconnect was that it has applied to every generation going back decades upon decades and not just the millennials.

WSS

@the-cysko-kid said:

So...many...ads

No shit right? Anyway there is a system to reading these fuckers on Facebook. You have to determine which button is the next button and not the button that takes you to the stupid fucking ad.

Too bad the Browns board doesn't have a safe Zone.

(but kids have whined ever since I was one)

WSS

@the-cysko-kid said:

Pretty much. As soon as I see that a website has a set up where you have to scroll through pages, I just close it out.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Absolutely. Refuting points definitely shows sings of nerve-striking.