@texasag1969 said:

Do you really want to hurt me?

Then appropriately relocate to London.

@stinkhole said:

The issue isn't culture....its competency. Does a team have competent managers....the Browns haven't had that. A team needs competent talent evaluators....the Browns...obviously...have not had that. A team needs competent coaching...the Browns have not had that, who knows if they do now. A team needs quality players that play well. The Browns have not had enough talented players playing well. The few that they have had cannot make up for the all the bad ones.

Culture means nothing, really. Competence means everything. Competence leads to winning. Culture is something you find in a test tube.

Keep it up Danny. I want a sack this week where he blows up the center and trounces the QB, and 8 more solo tackles. Keep building kid...keep building.

@osiris said:

Shelton is good because we finally got an experienced coaching staff that knows how to coach him. The Browns have sucked since 1999 because the owners don't let the people running the team develop. These things aren't mutually exclusive.

The word is vision, something you don't have. If you get the wax out of your ears and the crud out of your eyes you won't need two games to see and hear what's happened since Hue was hired. When is the last time you had 4-5 rookies contributing as starters in Cleveland? When is the last time we had a coach who holds his players accountable like Hue does? When's the last time we had a coach with the balls to declare he was going to win a Super Bowl for Cleveland? When is the last time we had a coach who emphasized live tackling in preseason like Hue did. This coaching staff has 150 years MORE combined experience than the previous. The culture has to change before the wins will come, and the culture is changing.

When's the last time you heard "play like a Brown"? That came from Mike Pettine.

When we speak of culture we are talking about a winning culture or a losing culture. Way to early to suggest the culture is changing.

You got it backwards, wins must come before the culture changes. What you are describing are the ingredients you feel are needed to eventually change the culture, not that the culture is actually changing. Starting rookies has zero to do with a changing culture.

The more you win, the more the culture starts to change.

Wins are the only thing that matters, I don't care how many times Hue promises to take the browns to the Super Bowl.

@osiris said:

@mudfly said:

So, Shelton is better because of coaching and not just because he has a year under his belt?.....So, does this mean we should expect the rookies to be great year one, now that they have a coach?...or does this years crop get a 1 year grace period(unlike Danny)?

So, Im confused, top post says firing the new coaches was why Sheltons suddenly good and bottom post says they should give the coaches/FO a chance to learn from their mistakes and firing them too soon isnt good.....confusing indeed...

Shelton is good because we finally got an experienced coaching staff that knows how to coach him. The Browns have sucked since 1999 because the owners don't let the people running the team develop. These things aren't mutually exclusive.

@miktoxic said:

uh... what the fuck? the best coaching staff since 1999? wow. 2 games in. 2 losses. QBs dropping like flies. one of the weakest if not weakest teams in the league and they are 'the best coaching staff the browns have had since 1999!' can you wait maybe until game 8 to proclaim that? hell, how about game 6?

you are seriously.......... just (i don't know the word)....insane?

@osiris said:

uh... what the fuck? the best coaching staff since 1999? wow. 2 games in. 2 losses. QBs dropping like flies. one of the weakest if not weakest teams in the league and they are 'the best coaching staff the browns have had since 1999!' can you wait maybe until game 8 to proclaim that? hell, how about game 6?

you are seriously.......... just (i don't know the word)....insane?

@osiris said:

So, Shelton is better because of coaching and not just because he has a year under his belt?.....So, does this mean we should expect the rookies to be great year one, now that they have a coach?...or does this years crop get a 1 year grace period(unlike Danny)?

@osiris said:

My point is, yeah, people are gonna make mistakes, especially when you are putting in place people who haven't done something a whole lot. And if we keep firing everyone who makes a mistake, we'll never keep anyone who learns from them, and nobody who learned from them elsewhere is going to come here, so we'll just keep hiring inexperienced people, who will make mistakes, who will get fired, and round-and-round it will ,and has, gone.

So, Im confused, top post says firing the new coaches was why Sheltons suddenly good and bottom post says they should give the coaches/FO a chance to learn from their mistakes and firing them too soon isnt good.....confusing indeed...

Go Cody, Coleman and Crowell! Miami will probably win but I hope not! Stick to the basics Hue and feed the Crow! Also Coleman looks like he can play with any QB!

@tiamat63 said:

And that would be mega stupid...

If it turns out we whiffed on Wentz (and it is still an "if"), then the question Jimmah must ask is the one that DePo and Sashi should be prepared to answer, "What did we miss?"

@tiamat63 said:

And yet Coleman, Kindred, Ogbah, and Nassib are all looking pretty good right now...

Edit: And let's not forget, the QB situation was Hue's decision.

My point is, yeah, people are gonna make mistakes, especially when you are putting in place people who haven't done something a whole lot. And if we keep firing everyone who makes a mistake, we'll never keep anyone who learns from them, and nobody who learned from them elsewhere is going to come here, so we'll just keep hiring inexperienced people, who will make mistakes, who will get fired, and round-and-round it will ,and has, gone.