@miktoxic said:

a zoe reference maybe?

A Fruedian slip?

@browns52 said:

My wife wants to take a trip to Naples....using my timeshare, but I suspect she would go along with Sanibel or Captiva or Marco Island. Problem is that they are very difficult to trade into at the right time of year. Summer is really not the right time. Spring break is. (We are limited due to her work schedule). Though I might try early summer ...1st half of June. Still very difficult to find anything even then. Late summer/fall could be possible...but not optimum due to heat/humidity and conflict of schedule.

@hoorta said:

naples is nice but captiva is a wee bit nicer..not far from naples at all....if you happen to be in that area any time in the near future, check it out..can't go wrong with either place though...the wife and i have been going there for many yrs now and are leaving tommorrow for a week...great time of the yr to be there..we usually head to naples 1 day out of the 6....

@tour2ma said:

I had a very pleasant stay in Naples, hanging out with Tour and Z before the Miami game. Nice room at the Cove Inn overlooking Naples Bay. Great price off season too. My impression is Naples is the Aspen of Florida's West coast.

Zombo said:

a zoe reference maybe?

@jrb12711 said:

A little slower over here. OK, a lot slower. But nicely manicured and great Beaches.

Zombo

Zombo said:

Eh, it's not unfair to say that sentiment is on to something. I can honestly say that given the variables (OSU dominating, Cavs winning, Tribe in the playoffs) the "hurt" of the Browns sucking ass is way less. I know a few other Browns fans who feel pretty much that way too.

On a random note Z, we bailed over to Naples to dodge the hurricane and had a great time there. A much, much different vibe than South Florida on the East Coast though.

@hoorta said:

Yes, and I've been on the train since Day One with this group. Hue is a first-class coach and offensive mind.

And Coleman, Nassib, Kessler et al may be our most productive rookie class in some time if they can stay on the field, so, so far, positive grades to the Front Office from me.

Zombo

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Those fans sound like assholes.

Zombo

@bob806 said:

^^^^This. I realize for good or ill we have to stay the course for another year or two and see how this plays out. It doesn't ease the pain of yet another really bad season. Firing a coach after a year hasn't worked, and Hue does look like he knows what he's doing. Hell Landry and Noll sucked for a few years out of the gate with really bad teams.

@jrb12711 said:

I'm really not sure what the hell you wanted Kessler to do in terms of dodging the hit that knocked him out of the game. I didn't clock it, but that defender was there in probably 1.5 seconds tops. Flash Gordon would not have been able to get out of that sack. I think conversely he's shown good, not great mobility so far.

Exactly. There was a blurb on Cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/10/how_did_the_cleveland_browns_l.html#incart_river_index on how Kessler got hurt They called a screen pass, our OL pulled out to protect the WR, there was a huge hole in the middle of the o-line, Hightower timed the snap perfectly- and was on top of Kessler unabated before he could blink.

Zombo said:

Sorry to hear Cleveland is bailing on the Browns, if that's true.

With the Cavs delivering and the Indians doing so well, you'd think fans would have enough good will to be patient with a new administration 5 games into a rebuild, even with the horrible track record of past admins.

It's not like they are not trying. They took over a 3-13 team 8 months ago and they have a plan,a way of doing things, and they are sticking to it.

I think Hue will be the next great Browns coach.

We still have a lot of passion in my Browns Backer club, and I will be bringing that fire when I am up for the Cowboys game. Even if we are down to Don Stock at QB by then ... I'll support the efforts of this new admin, coaching staff, and young players.

Z

I think I mentioned it Z. I caught a lot of grief earlier in the year when I came out and said- they're not going to win a lot of games, and if you can't see that you're blind. I put the over under on wins at 2-1\2, and I'll stick to that, especially if our QBs keep dropping like flies in a room sprayed full of Raid.

I do agree- they seem to have a plan for turning the team around- they have no choice to see where it goes, and Jimmuh better have the patience this time to see if it's going to work. You need look no farther than the comments on cleveland.com to see some of the natives have zero patience after decades of losing, and already want to run Hue & company out of town.

As I just said- for those that wanted to see a total blowup- well, this is what it looks like.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Same thought occurred to me. Greater contrast...

@jcam222 said:

Sept., 2012? I made a similar walk late as I did a lap around the stadium's lower level seats (for future reference).

During the game I sat in an oasis of "good Bills fans" in a sea of Bills asshats in the "upper Dawg pound" (the dawg pound in name only).

Zombo said:

I think the Cavs and Tribe winning could be having the opposite effect - fans are finally realizing "why the fuck am I paying money to watch this abortion?"

If the others were performing poorly, fans could say "well, if I'm gonna watch a shitty team lose, it might as well be the Browns"....but now, not so much.

@tour2ma said:

We've done a lot worse than Don Strock...

Interesting dynamics in the thread... falling out... coming together... all in a couple pages. Not the last time the fan base is going to be tested in this process.

I feel for our season ticket holders... I truly do. As I wrote yesterday my one CBS experience was with a large number of vocal Bills fans. I'd never had my Browns' stadium "taken over" before and it was hard to stomach.

But those who for some fucking reason believe that they are owed wins now are just bringing misery upon themselves.

Interesting dynamics in the thread... falling out... coming together... all in a couple pages. Not the last time the fan base is going to be tested in this process.

I feel for our season ticket holders... I truly do. As I wrote yesterday my one CBS experience was with a large number of vocal Bills fans. I'd never had my Browns' stadium "taken over" before and it was hard to stomach.

But those who for some fucking reason believe that they are owed wins now are just bringing misery upon themselves.

@hoorta said:

Ditto.

Z- yeah, I hope I live long enough to see a Browns SB win. But I'm with jcam. Today at the stadium was like going to the wake of a dead dear friend, it was sure quiet enough down by the lake. Outside of our touchdowns, the only cheering I heard was BRADY! BRADY! BRADY! Really- it would be less embarrassing on a national level to just forfeit the rest of the season. You'd have to be at least 57 to clearly remember the last Browns championship. And I can tell you @ 5 years old, I don't recall ever seeing Otto Graham play. Or be at least 36 to remember the days of Bernie. Those young fans are in danger- to use your words- of turning into soccer fags. We used to pride ourselves on our rabid fan base- but I'm afraid a fair percentage of it has died off from rabies. Just lost any remaining home field advantage we might have had. (Those empty seats and huge influxes of opposing team's fans are proof enough.) Expect the same when you come up for the Cowboys game. The only way to turn that around is to start winning, and for sure that's not happening this year.

Sure, we might win a game or two this year- I just hope Hue can keep control of the team as the losses continue to pile up.

Sorry to hear Cleveland is bailing on the Browns, if that's true.

With the Cavs delivering and the Indians doing so well, you'd think fans would have enough good will to be patient with a new administration 5 games into a rebuild, even with the horrible track record of past admins.

It's not like they are not trying. They took over a 3-13 team 8 months ago and they have a plan,a way of doing things, and they are sticking to it.

I think Hue will be the next great Browns coach.

We still have a lot of passion in my Browns Backer club, and I will be bringing that fire when I am up for the Cowboys game. Even if we are down to Don Stock at QB by then ... I'll support the efforts of this new admin, coaching staff, and young players.

Z

@jrb12711 said:

I think you're looking at a guy who was starting his 3rd game ever. There's gonna be growing pains. I hope the injury isn't too bad because it would be great to see him play the rest of the year. As for the plan going forward. Id still skip drafting a QB next year. Use the Vikings as a model. Build up your defense and the offensive line.

@jiggins7919 said:

I'm really not sure what the hell you wanted Kessler to do in terms of dodging the hit that knocked him out of the game. I didn't clock it, but that defender was there in probably 1.5 seconds tops. Flash Gordon would not have been able to get out of that sack. I think conversely he's shown good, not great mobility so far.

@jcam222 said:

it could become reality if they move again...look at the rams...shit, they even won a superbowl and they moved back to la....and with the browns fanbase dropping, it is more likely they move again...It's all about the almighty dollar...that's all that counts these days...

@hoorta said:

@hoorta said:

Ditto.

Z- yeah, I hope I live long enough to see a Browns SB win. But I'm with jcam. Today at the stadium was like going to the wake of a dead dear friend, it was sure quiet enough down by the lake. Outside of our touchdowns, the only cheering I heard was BRADY! BRADY! BRADY! Really- it would be less embarrassing on a national level to just forfeit the rest of the season. You'd have to be at least 57 to clearly remember the last Browns championship. And I can tell you @ 5 years old, I don't recall ever seeing Otto Graham play. Or be at least 36 to remember the days of Bernie. Those young fans are in danger- to use your words- of turning into soccer fags. We used to pride ourselves on our rabid fan base- but I'm afraid a fair percentage of it has died off from rabies. Just lost any remaining home field advantage we might have had. (Those empty seats and huge influxes of opposing team's fans are proof enough.) Expect the same when you come up for the Cowboys game. The only way to turn that around is to start winning, and for sure that's not happening this year.

Sure, we might win a game or two this year- I just hope Hue can keep control of the team as the losses continue to pile up.

i met fans who stopped renewing their season tix 5 yrs ago...i'll bet they are happy as a pig in mud...all the moola they saved...i'd rather spend my money on a good concert or a few nights out at my favorite restaurant than watch the garbage being produced yr after yr with this owner...god is he horrible...

Not keeping Schwartz probably did not help us in terms of pass protection, and we're losing QB's faster than any team in the history of the NFL. THAT's my main current frustration. Cody had an incredible 75 yard drive that actually ended in a touchdown. I couldn't believe it. Hawk ran a killer route, and once again Kessler displayed his awesome accuracy. What I like even more is Kessler probably wanted to look for Pryor, but he took one look at the pre-snap defense, and he immediately saw the safety playing completely next to Pryor. Pats didn't even try to hide what they were doing, and like they always do, they take away what you do best and make you beat them another way. We knew this, and we had the perfect play.

So why I am frustrated? I'm frustrated that we had two road games in a row (that we played pretty well in and could've won), and then when we FINALLY get a home game, it just so happens to be against the best QB in the damn history of the league RIGHT when he comes back from a suspension. What are the damn odds? The home crowd got to cheer for about a quarter, and that's it. I'm frustrated that Kessler got knocked out of the game. It goes to show you how important mobility is in the NFL. Mobility and strength. Cody just looks so damn slow out there. If he has a clean pocket and a running game, I think he can move the ball and put some points on the board. But we're the damn Cleveland Browns. We're not going to have a clean pocket, and the running game apparently isn't anywhere near as good as we once hoped.

Yeah, I'm frustrated.

@hoorta said:

FWIW----I just checked on stubhub and seatgeek for tickets for the Jets game,

and there is an ASSLOAD of good seats for sale.