@canton-dawg said:

That's my big bitch Tom, if the NFL is going to lay down a set of rules make them apply to EVERYONE!

@baconhound said:

Well, its the old "Sleeping Giant" theory. Like the Indians who were bad for so long......then when they got good went and broke the all time record for consecutive sellouts.

When the Browns get good....and I expect that to happen soon and under this coach, the rest of the world will be in for a shitstorm of Brown and Orange. (I just hope they go back to better uniforms)

@the-gipper said:

Because each year you move away from 1964, and post another 4-12, you lose fans. Patriot fans invaded First Energy Stadium. I don't know how many Browns fans will continue to fork over money for season tickets based on what the team did in 1964. Some may say fans aren't what they used to be but with as little success as this team has had recently, who can blame them.

@baconhound said:

Why?

@the-gipper said:

At some point you have to win in the recent past to rest on the distant past.

@baconhound said:

1994....Belichick beat the Pats...I believe.

@baconhound said:

'94 Wild Card game game vs. the Pats.

@the-gipper said:

When is the last time the Browns won a playoff game?

@flugel said:

1. As long as there is more than one crew, there will be inconsistencies. Your Pryor-Brady example is a poor example.
2. The "driving" the QB to the ground rule is still on the books. The hit on Kessler was nowhere near the criteria to qualify as a foul. Hightower did not even wrap Kess up.

@mld-woody said:

He did the Usain Bolt pose. Because he ran for a 1st. Honestly he was kind of poking fun at himself because he isn't that fast. Or he was rubbing it in that our defense couldn't catch him...

Exactly... Next time stop him short of the line to gain. Problem solved...

@mld-woody said:

It was a bit of both likely......he was poking fun at himself....and our defense is so pathetic that, no, they couldn't catch him. Just like they couldn't catch anyone else on that team.....and just like they couldn't tackle a ham sandwich. They were pathetic.

@the-gipper said:

There were probably a number of New England fans in town because of the Red Sox playing in the MLB playoffs here......though, to be honest.....did anyone see a large number of Red Sox fans at The Jake these pas few days? (yes, I still call it that)

Of course, it could be that this country is just turning into a FRAKing pile of shit. Knob gobblers slurping on Patriot dick because they have been winners, just like they did with the Steelers.

Lack of character, integrity, courage, and loyalty.

A lot of these types likely would have jumped to support the Nazis if they thought they were going to win WWII. That is the kind of character I am afraid a number of our younger people possess.

This thread went downhill quick.

@flugel said:

Seems to me the officials penalized Pryor for something way less than Brady did near the end of the Baltimore game which sealed the deal for Baltimore. I'm sooooooooo impressed with the consistency of the officiating this year. If you play for the right team - you can taunt or drive the opposing QB into the turf. Remember when the league pretended they wanted to police the driving the QB into the turf way more closely? IIf anyone puts that same hit on Brady that was done on Kessler, it's a flag, fine and possibly a suspension. Way to go NFL!!!!!

I have seen him scream in the refs faces for 15 seconds and them do nothing to him. Even accounting for this pathetic four game suspension he has always had over protection in my eyes. I hate him, Kraft and that whole organisation!

@baconhound said:

1920, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1954, 1955, 1964. They all count for what its worth.

And FYI there are a large number of NFL teams/cities who neither have the number of titles Cleveland does, nor a title sooner than Cleveland:

Cardinals: none since 1947...and none even in the last two cities they have been located in: St.L/Ariz.

Chargers/San Diego....none since 1963

The "Los Angeles Rams" have not had a title since 1951....(though the Rams had a title in St. L)

Houston....has not had a title since 1961 and two teams ago

Oilers/Titans.....franchise last won as noted above in 1961

Minnesota Vikings....nothing since they began as a team in 1961

Eagles....nothing since 1960

Lions, nothing since 1957

Also: All of the following teams, while having won since the Browns have...or been created since the Browns last won, have NOT won a Championship in the living memory of most of the people who patronize this board:

NY Jets 1968

KC Chiefs 1969

Cin. Bengals 1968 franchise born, not titles

Atlanta Falcons 1966 franchise born, no titles

Buffalo Bills 1965

Miami Dolphins 1973

Even the Bears title in 1985...one would have to be about 40 years old to remember it as a kid.

And more recent teams

Carolina Panthers

Jacksonville Jaguars.

Houston Texans

So, point of fact....half the league hasn't really been any more "awesome" than the Browns where it comes to winning championships. At least we have a herd of them in our past...

@the-gipper said:

Scary when the only comeback is, "we were awesome in 1964"

@flugel said:

Seems to me the officials penalized Pryor for something way less than Brady did near the end of the Baltimore game which sealed the deal for Baltimore. I'm sooooooooo impressed with the consistency of the officiating this year. If you play for the right team - you can taunt or drive the opposing QB into the turf. Remember when the league pretended they wanted to police the driving the QB into the turf way more closely? IIf anyone puts that same hit on Brady that was done on Kessler, it's a flag, fine and possibly a suspension. Way to go NFL!!!!!

That's my big bitch Tom, if the NFL is going to lay down a set of rules make them apply to EVERYONE!

@londonbrown said:

Seems to me the officials penalized Pryor for something way less than Brady did near the end of the Baltimore game which sealed the deal for Baltimore. I'm sooooooooo impressed with the consistency of the officiating this year. If you play for the right team - you can taunt or drive the opposing QB into the turf. Remember when the league pretended they wanted to police the driving the QB into the turf way more closely? IIf anyone puts that same hit on Brady that was done on Kessler, it's a flag, fine and possibly a suspension. Way to go NFL!!!!!

Of course, it could be that this country is just turning into a FRAKing pile of shit. Knob gobblers slurping on Patriot dick because they have been winners, just like they did with the Steelers.

Lack of character, integrity, courage, and loyalty.

A lot of these types likely would have jumped to support the Nazis if they thought they were going to win WWII. That is the kind of character I am afraid a number of our younger people possess.

@opal312 said:

I heard Brady got a standing ovation?? If this is true then I'm pissed! What is wrong with Cleveland? I will tell you! The players look at the team as a stepping stone to another more successful team! They look at their time with the Browns as doing time in the minors before getting called up.

TJ WARD, MACK, SKRINE, SHEARD, SHWARTZ etc

Until somebody changes the losing culture and spends some money nothing changes. Status Quo until forever.?

TJ WARD, MACK, SKRINE, SHEARD, SHWARTZ etc

Until somebody changes the losing culture and spends some money nothing changes. Status Quo until forever.?

@jcam222 said:

Exactly- Brady plays the game by his own set of rules. Doubtless the refs are instructed to protect the NFL's Golden Boy. Pryor gets called for accidentally hitting another player with the ball, but Tom can do a dance, and it's OK.

The Soldier said:

13 Championships. Call us when you catch up half way.

Or, that Brady danced on the Browns sidelines, and no one did a thing?

Or, that the Browns took a knee on the last play?

That's NOT a winning culture. That last play should have been a real play. No excuses. You're losing, you do whatever you can to end on a good note. You don't roll over.

(a "no one cares about this thread" response is too easy)