You realize your statement actually points out nothing? Other than the Jets had Chad Pennington as a starter and had drafted a QB for the future the year before Quinn was an option. Gee, a team with other needs and felt they addressed the QB of the future the year before in the draft didn't take Quinn. That really shows they now, 3 years later after seeing Clemens decided they now need a new QB, that they weren't calling about Quinn as reported by a half a dozen news sources.

Lum = owned.... AGAIN.

Don't you get tired of these repeated ass whippings? You take the definition of masochist to a new level.

@lumbergh said:

But the Jets passed on Quinn because they had Kellen Clemens: FACT.

And? CLE had DA on the roster and they traded up to Draft Quinn, FACT!

You realize your statement actually points out nothing? Other than the Jets had Chad Pennington as a starter and had drafted a QB for the future the year before Quinn was an option. Gee, a team with other needs and felt they addressed the QB of the future the year before in the draft didn't take Quinn. That really shows they now, 3 years later after seeing Clemens decided they now need a new QB, that they weren't calling about Quinn as reported by a half a dozen news sources.

@lumbergh said:

Can't be Denver, they chose Orton over Quinn.

Can you think of anybody else?

Except they were still calling after getting Orton according to news sources. Same with the Jets leading up to the draft. Yet not one report of a team interested in DA, when both were being shopped. Hmmm....

@sisky-fringo said:

if he continues to learn to dissect defenses Brady will never, ever touch the field in CLE. it's about time for the rest of you to accept this.

What games are you rewatching, the first 8 starts from 2007?

Continues to learn to disect defenses? DA is 5 years into his pro career and 10 years in football and hasn't learned to disect a D a little.

@sisky-fringo said:

yeah, but you can't not start him because you might ruin his trade value should he turn out to just be above average. That's stupid "what if" thinking. Seriously.

@nickers said:

hey in your mind nobody would rate Peyton Manning over Quinn.

But the Jets passed on Quinn because they had Kellen Clemens: FACT.

@lumbergh said:

your statement is bullshit...anybody in thier right mind seriousely would not rate Clemens over Quinn wether you hated him or not...think before you type assinine statements...you dont even have a clue and explaining this to a moron such as you has become futile.

@shepwrite said:

Bullshit. If the Jets wanted Quinn over Kellen Clemens all they would have had to do is draft Quinn in '07. They chose not to.

@lumbergh said:

BQ Nation was wrong again.

Frankly, everyone was wrong this weekend. I don't think anyone predicted what happened at this years draft.

Mangini is on to something about drafting "smart" players. At the NFL level, most guys are all gifted athletically. I have held to the idea that what seperates the greats from the mediocre are two things. Work ethic and Smarts.

@riffer-x said:

I am willing to be patient.

we don't need to be patient....let's just include anyone that throws more than 2 passes next season....so he can drop further than #32

@inspecta said:

Who's in this plethora of teams?

Can't be Denver, they chose Orton over Quinn.

Can you think of anybody else?

@chicopee-john said:

Rather than trading Quinn and drafting Sanchez at that point, the Browns opted to keep him and trade the 'draft rights' to the Jets.

Mangini might even be more tight lipped than his mentor. Saying that the starting QB position is/was a toss up was nothing but vintage bluffing.

Quinn will be the starter. I believe Anderson will be wearing another uniform before the season starts - maybe for a RB - hopefully for draft picks next year.

The only question answered this weekend is that Anderson didn't get traded.

BQ Nation was wrong again.

@sisky-fringo said:

let your boy prove it for you. tired of this lame argument. until then, DA is the only Brown to go to the probowl and holds current records. how long do you get to hide behind his inability to even get the start? DA had to lose it to even get p/t. BQ, by default. very convincing.

ballpeen i thought my commentator anecdote was fresh.

they call my QB names, i tell them to fuk off, it goes on.....

i see your point.

Funny you point that out, because DA had to have the guy he LOST to in training camp traded before he could get the start. Then he had to have the GM tell everyone that he was the starter to keep starting.

So, Quinn gets 6games, but DA continues to get more time to develop?

You're as in love with DA as Lumbergh. Stop fellating him and open your eyes.

@riffer-x said:

I am willing to be patient.

Absolutely, year 6 is gonna be tha bomb!

I am willing to be patient.

@sisky-fringo said:

let Quinn show me he can play and i'll see it then. until then you're obsessed with a possibility. deal.

Small difference is that Elway and Bradshaw didn't progressively get worse as their careers went on.

@sisky-fringo said:

if he continues to learn to dissect defenses Brady will never, ever touch the field in CLE. it's about time for the rest of you to accept this.

We officially need an "un-thanks" button.

@sisky-fringo said:

You just described Derek "Mendoza" Anderson. Except teams "figured him out" in 8 weeks.

Awesome.

let Quinn show me he can play and i'll see it then. until then you're obsessed with a possibility. deal.

Got it. You're proposing that the leash for DA should be as long as it was for two HOF'ers who were both drafted #1 overall?

Moron.

Come off your self appoined high horse and back up your position with a legitimate argument. I'm ready to "dissect" it.

@hammertime said:

I'd rate the draft an A. I loved it. Solid, non-flashy picks. We avoided prettiest-girl-at-the-dance drafting, which is more Al Davis/Jerry Jones style anyway, not Mangini.

I had a soft spot for Rey, but I'm over it.

Add on the new regime had a limited time to put their evaluators together - an excellent job I'd say.

ManKok seems to favor SMART players...how did DA & BQ do in college??

How miserable does one need to be to continue the QB debate?

A #1 pick at QB 2- #1's blocking for him, A #1 +2-#2's for him to throw to. People need to start seeing the glass at minimum half full!!

There was no way Mangini could of come out of that draft grading any better than he did unless they awarded the Lombardi trophy to him on the spot.

Very solid draft and adequate compensation. Let's move on.

@sisky-fringo said:

Yep, going to need to see him on the field to know. Whoever it is, it seems like Mangini is giving them the tools to succeed with O-line improvement and drafting 2 WR's in the first 3 picks. For Quinn, add on its a Dabol/Weis system, and he has been given the best situation to succeed. No excuses.