@stinkhole said:

Your question is, as I gather it: has anyone been played HS, college and Pro football in essentially the same town that has made the HOF?

If you consider Ohio St. part of the Cleveland area, there have been a couple for the Browns:

A. Dante Lavelli: Hudson High, OSU, Browns, HOF

B. Paul Warfield: Warren Harding HS, OSU, Browns HOF

While we don't include really the Columbus area in the Cleveland area...Bill Willis, Columbus East, OSU, Browns.

Lou Groza is from Martin Ferry's....on the far edge perhaps of NE Ohio. Right where I-70 meets the river.

One other guy, not a Brown off the top of my head: Dick Butkus. From Chicago. Played at Illinois, HOF for the Bears.

where's houston? in TX somewhere right?

game changers.

too bad you can't field a team on one man's back.

@wargograw said:

I'm not homering for Browns players. I've seen some real improvement in those two guys and if they keep up that development curve there's nothing i see from Garrett right now that says he'd warrant taking a starting position away from either of those two "in the 4-3". In the 3-4 looks yes he could possibly be starting depending on what happens with Collins. I'm not shitting on Garrett. I'm just saying after a year of play and two offseasons of development both Og and Naz are going to be further along than him. I dunno maybe by midseason he'd be starting. Bosa didn't start right away either but that probably had more to do with his holdout and hamstring. But again, not to homer for OSU players...Bosa was more NFL ready when he entered the draft than Garrett looks to be. From what I see Garrett's arms aren't as stiff as they need to be yet. He gets em folded in when he's in close quarters with a tackle. He's got a great dip but no rip when he goes around the edge. He just needs some more developing is all but he's obviously a ridiculous athlete. But so was Wimbley, so was Mingo. We've drafted ridiculous athletes before that didn't pan out.

If there's no really good QB in this draft, than i'm fine with Garrett. But "right now"...i'd take Peppers numero uno. Peppers is going to be one of the nastiest free safeties the NFL has ever seen mark my words. He's too small to play MLB'er but a free safety that can come up and essentially be an extra LB'er..he's going to be special. I'd be happy with a Garrett/Peppers draft if our pick from the Eagles is high enough.

@texasag1969 said:

In the words of said Trump---------Believe me there is no one currently on the Browns team that will provide any competition to Garrett as a starter from day 1.

Not where he is right now. That could change obviously but i can only pass judgement on what i see right now. Allen would have a better chance starting for the browns day 1 cause he's stronger.

And this is assuming the team that drafts garrett plays him mostly as a 4-3 DE. If we were to draft him and make him an olb'er that delivery window expands

@clevfan4life said:

In the words of said Trump---------Believe me there is no one currently on the Browns team that will provide any competition to Garrett as a starter from day 1.

@gftchris said:

No tape. But they're the best pass rushers, they're really great, trust me.

Gotta move em up the draft board

@tour2ma said:

Wait... What?

Not as a starter. Depends on the team he goes to but from what ive seen i wouldnt take primary snaps away from og or nas right now in favor of garrett. If we do draft garett he's going to be competing with those two, orchard and collins for snaps. I should have clarified, not day 1 "starter" unless someone is injured

@clevfan4life said:

No tape. But they're the best pass rushers, they're really great, trust me.

@gftchris said:

Yes they both have LSU left, Bama this week and A&M Thanksgiving night. Hopefully Garrett is 100% but we will have the tipoff when they play UT -San Antonio the week before. If he plays significant minutes while the game is stiil close, then he might be 100%, but if he rarely comes in or sits like he did against SC and NMST, then it's a season long nagging injury. Either way though, Tim Williams is the better Bama pure pass rusher IMO when you compare Williams and Allen.

@clevfan4life said:

It was not - it was supposed to be the two guys going against the same competition, not Garrett vs Trump University and Allen vs NobodyGivesAShit State U.

As said, Garrett was injured so it may be unfair, and there will probably be other opportunities to compare side by side like this when he's not.

@wargograw said:

I'm talking about squaring up on and controlling his OT... essentially not rushing, but at the ready to shed and pursue any QB move in his direction.

@clevfan4life said:

Not sure they're day 1 material.

Wait... What?

It doesn't mean he's injury-prone as this is all from the same injury. He can play on it. It's just painful. Watch the UCLA or Auburn games and if you don't like what you see, fine.

PFF was the biggest defender of your boy Bosa. Last year, Garrett was rated their number 2 pass rusher behind Bosa. This year, on limited snaps, I believe he's number 1, number 1 edge player overall, and with high enough grades against the run for them to commend it most weeks.

I'm not obsessed with the guy, but not a day 1 talent? Come on. 6'5", 260, 4.55 3 year starters will always be day 1 talents.

@gftchris said:

For your viewing pleasure, here is Jonathan Allen versus Tennessee from 23rd October this year:

And here is Myles Garrett vs Tennessee from a couple weeks earlier:

In both cases they are working against left tackle Brett Kendrick, a red shirt freshman (3*), and left guard Jashon Robertson (3*). Enjoy.

@texasag1969 said:

Question was not about Clowney... was about Garrett. Please try to keep up, Pops...

@tour2ma said:

I've seen pure edge speed rushes, stacks and the occasional inside spin. My impression is that (Garrett) is not authorized to freelance, but is playing a role that does not include him pinning his ears back and getting to the QB by any means available in every passing situation.

Maybe one of more ardent Aggie-backers can comment.

@wargograw said:

The question is whether he freelances or not? I couldn't tell you.

Do you agree with the repertoire I describe? Seen him stack and contain as much as anything?

@tiamat63 said:

The question is whether he freelances or not? I couldn't tell you.

@tiamat63 said:

Not a Texan fan so I rarely watch them. I just know he is having a better year after fully healing and that is without JJ on the field. But I don't even know how they line him up most plays.

@tour2ma said:

I asked a similar question and I'm curious to see if the response will be about the same this time around from our resident Aggies.

@gftchris said:

Apart from Clowney in 2014? He's playing the same position as Allen unless I'm mistaken.

Not really even close.