@stinkhole said:

Steelers defense is only incrementally better than the Browns.

After you show the Steelers how to beat the Ravens tonight.

@tiamat63 said:

Interior DL that go to the pro-bowl tend to be the 'flashy' types that make big plays - ie, 4-3 DTs, not NTs. Donald, Suh etc. At least, that's how it seems to me.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-pff-midseason-all-pro-team/

Danny getting the nod at NT. Only problem is the name recognition and lack of team success that might hold him back from the pro bowl nod. Maybe?

Was there something in there that said the opposite of me wanting them resigned? Nope... I just checked. So tell me how you arrived at that conclusion.

Both are good football players that improve a team. Both should still be with the Browns but that wasn't mine or anybody else's decision to let them go. Sure they weren't franchise changers but no every player is or has to be. Sometimes you just draft good players and there is nothing wrong with that. The backbone of everyteam consists of those kind of guys.

Im not the only one that sees Danny as a game changer. What numbers are you referring to that separate Meder from Danny? I'd love to see them because if you're willing to use numbers to support your argument yet discounting Shelton or Schwartz using those same numbers then you have no arguement because youre contradicting yourself.

PFF aside you're right, the Browns line doesn't look the same. Funny how it's the right side where the bulk of the pressures and sacks have come from now that Schwartz is gone.

Looks waaaaay different, eh?

Like I said, you have nothing. You're willing to reject reality and substitute your own. Those people are impossible to reason with.

But when Danny gets a pro bowl nod, or at least starts getting more mention on main stream analysts (glorified hype men) I'll make sure to remind you of that just like when DBone said Bosa was average.

@baconhound said:

liked sheard a lot as a brown. i like pitt (no not arm pit or stool pit)... especially when wannstedt was the HC. i was hoping sheard would be one of those 'foundation' players along with some other guys that seemed promising in another regime's plans.

ehhh......

Ward again a 3 year guy who was a very enforcer but again 3 years only.

I've gone on record many times here saying that I wish both were on the team and since they aren't not considering them FO wins. You may think drafting players, seeing progress and letting them walk are great FO moves but I don't.

I don't see Danny Shelton as a game changer, maybe you do. Meder has similar numbers to Shelton this year with less opportunity.

Schwartz is a PFF wet dream, as is every Browns OLine. Funny they never seem to look the same on the field as they do when PFF ranks them.

@baconhound said:

Sheard and Ward weren't on the team long enough to be a real impact. Schwartz had a below average 2014, improved in 2015 and then left. Shelton isn't a top 20 defensive tackle in the NFL. Calling him a nose tackle puts him in a very small group.

Jabaal led the team in sacks and forced fumbles as a rookie alone and was given nods on a couple all rookie publications. 2012 he was solid with 7 sacks. Hurt the year after and still got half dozen and as we know was out of place under Pettine and O'Neil. He was with the team long enough for the Pats to take great interest in him.

Likewise with Ward who went to a pro bowl under us and turned into a dependable, middle range enforcer.

Both of them should have been retained but weren't. Not their fault.

Shelton is #2 in run stop percentage right behind another lane clog monster in Damon Harrison. He's upped his QB pressure numbers and sack count and as it stands IS one of the better NT's in the NFL.

As for Schwartz - he graded as a top 15 tackle in the 2014 season as well as 15. I won't continue any further because your posts are rooted in piss poor opinion and clearly dont take common sense or fact into consideration.

@tiamat63 said:

Sheard and Ward weren't on the team long enough to be a real impact. Schwartz had a below average 2014, improved in 2015 and then left. Shelton isn't a top 20 defensive tackle in the NFL. Calling him a nose tackle puts him in a very small group.

What jury, where is out on Danny? Year two and he's become one of the best NT in the NFL.

@tiamat63 said:

Haden was a good pick. Sheard had a cup of coffee. Mack was very good. Ward cup of coffee. Schwartz good for a year. Shelton jury is still out. While all their decisions haven't failed they are the WORST franchise in professional sports.

I laughed when TJ got trucked last nite... maybe more like shucked...

@gftchris said:

dude wtf how'd you know if you didn't watch? you psychic bro?

@gftchris said:

dude wtf how'd you know if you didn't watch? you psychic bro?

@tour2ma said:

Another bright spot Tour- apparently the Browns have sturdier goalposts. Wasn't nearly as loud, but nearly as disgusting. Or maybe it depends on resonance- where the ball hits the post. Anyhow, IMO that was the beginning of the end. As I told the guy I was with, "we can't keep trading field goals for touchdowns." Turns out we couldn't even do the FG thing.

@texasag1969 said:

Not here... can't do opioids. Percocet after I had all 4 wisdom teeth jerked taught me that. Fired off nerve endings everywhere continuously. It was like fireants were continuously crawling all over my extremities with periodic stinging periods just for grins...

Fortunately I never needed anything stronger than Ibuprofen after either root job...

@hoorta said:

Shades of Miami, huh? I do think the Fins' goalpost was more in tune tho... but could be my TV sound vs. "live"...

You were at both... thoughts?

@tour2ma said:

At least they load you with a pain killer and give you Vicodin for the rest of the week. We just get to come back for another root canal on Thursday. 🥷

The woeful D is fairly self explanatory - the players are bad - but I think I really need to dive in to coaches tape to understand where it's going wrong on O. It's going wrong to a lesser extent of course, but we're not exactly putting up 40 every sunday.

@gftchris said:

Ah yeah, the missed FG. What happened? Just hooked it?

Boinked it off the left goalpost, it was all downhill from there. Particularly galling,the penalties on KOs, D lining up offside X3,and two completely blown coverages on Dallas TDs.If "that's on me" AGAIN Hue- you need a better response than we're playing hard. Ghoolie may well have been right about lack of discipline. Oh, and Erving gets himself kicked out of the game.

@gftchris said:

Ah yeah, the missed FG. What happened? Just hooked it?

It was a horribly pulled shank.. the hold looked good...

@gumby73 said:

That's a pretty good summary... I'd only add that Parkey broke his string of FGs when he nailed that left upright with his 2nd attempt.

The couple root canals I've had were nothing in comparison to Sunday. We were "in" this one about as long as we were the Pats game.