@mudfly said:

Wheezy was the embodiment of "does not compute", the "lead head" standard... I honestly don't see Kess near him. That said...

Yup... as high as #1 overall...

@tour2ma said:

Mostly play calls.....not trying to beat on Hue, but cant say Ive seen a well coached team....on any level....

In re to Kessler......Hue specifically called out a lack of aggressiveness.....and said Kess was leaving plays on the field.....

My take was that Kess was playing it safe....checking down almost every play......and not seeing the field well......

He just looks kind of slow......and looks like he processes things slowly as well.....Weedenish, but maybe not quite as bad....and, I think, Hue pulling him from the game happened when he just had enough.....(meaning it had been chewing on him for a while)......

Sadly....as much as I want Defense......Im afraid the Browns will plan to spend ANOTHER high pick on QB in 2017 .....

One last thought... none of us could know in real time, and few likely know now, what Kess was missing/not seeing downfield during his time in the game. Takes an all-22 to know that.

Impressions, like mine that he seemed beat slow, are just that... impressions. A couple days removed I am hard pressed to think of a shot downfield Kess took aside from the TD to Devalve. Contrast that with the shots McC either took, or tried to take. I can think of at least three. For different reasons none worked out, but they were attempted.

It could be that the spark Hue was looking for was simply aggressiveness...

On the flip side, however, he is trying everything he can, cause his team sucks so bad......mixing things up.....which sometimes can go bad and hurt as much as it helps....but if ever there was a team that needed desperate measures, this is it.....

and..."IF" McCown had killed it and won the game....then Hue would be a genius, right?......just a coaches call that didnt work out....

and....PLEASE.....for the love of god.....lets not fire anyone else because of the bad talent.....AND....if we do, let it NOT be the coaches.....

What better game situation than on the road, in a nationally televised game, against one of your most hated rivals, to let the kid grow up and work through whatever was happening last night?

If the Browns were battling for 1st place, then hell yea, do what you can to get the win, but you don't do it when you're possibly the NFL's worst team ever, and you're specifically looking for a QB of the future..... Bad, bad game day coaching decision and there is no justification for it.

Like I said last night in the Tavern, if I'm a player in that locker room, I will no longer believe a thing Hue says.

@calfoxwc said:

Tiam said:

"Kess bailed early a couple times and looked rattled. Hindsight might be one thing but at the time bringing in the vet while you settled down the rookie isn't a terrible move. "

and he is correct. Kessler ate a few sacks when he could have thrown it away, and had trouble getting the ball downfield except on the TD.

The first two turnovers - Joe Thomas took his guy around the back of the pocket, and McCown never stepped up into it, and got his arm slapped while throwing. There was a nice little area to step up in, but he stayed back. That is not good.

Putting McCown in, with his experience, was not a bad thing. It just didn't make any difference.

But laying back so far off the receivers... come on. Nobody else plays the Browns wr's like that.

Really good analysis... and your last line "sparked" a thought...

In Kess' last series, when he threw the "dangerous lateral" that Collingsworth went on about, I think that was the last straw. It was a dangerous throw by a QB did not see that the CB seen playing off pre-snap had closed the gap post snap. I'd said Kess looked "a beat slow" all nite in The Tavern and this was not processed at all.

Clearly Hue did not put McC expecting him to fail as he did. Those who now say they did expect his failure don't remember how he looked last year.

@letsgojackets said:

I don't know about that. I don't really think so. I know that the kicking balls are different.

But, here is what I found on the internet:

An NFL football will measure 11" long with a 22" circumference at the midway point. Unless it is being used by the Patriots (joke Pats fans, joke), the air pressure should be between 12-1/2 psi and 13-1/2 psi.

A college ball (D1) will be just slightly smaller (1/2" in length and 1" circumference).

While the NFL ball is only slightly larger, it still seems to play a part in the drafting of QBs. Hand size is scrutinized as much as anything. As we learned from the 'deflate-gate' issue, grip is very important in NFL footballs and in hand jobs.

College, or NCAA, footballs are the same size as what players find in high school. The NFL plays with a larger ball. The size difference isn't much, but does make a difference in the field of play.

So, I guess there IS a difference that I was not aware of.

@tiamat63 said:

Sorry brother, it just doesn't. No footwork or strength training is going to turn him into Elway..... Tebow is one of the most yoked QBs on the planet and all his muscle strength couldn't help him throw the ball without a punt like arc trail following the ball.

And BTW, improving footwork comes from coaching.

@the-gipper said:

Forgive my stupidity but aren't the balls different? The ncaa ball is smaller right?

@flyingfooldoug said:

another stupid fucking coach....fucking baby huey....

@d-bone said:

Of course it doesn't improve with coaching. It improves with footwork and strength training.

@d-bone said:

The North Carolina/Duke game was on last night at the same time as the Browns. I switched over at time during commercials etc. to try to catch Tribisky. The zing on his arm compared to Kessler seemed night and day.

First I was pissed that they would have the unprofessionalism to laugh at a fellow player, but once that wore off, it sank in that what those two HoFs saw live and in person, must have been so noticeably weak from what they expect to see from a starting NFL QB, that it just made them laugh...... Not a warm and fuzzy thought.

Kess's arm strength will not improve with coaching..... sorry it just wont. You can either throw a 96mph fastball, or you can't.

@osiris said:

Yep, I read that Hue "was tired of seeing plays being missed".

@tour2ma said:

@tiamat63 said:

Kess bailed early a couple times and looked rattled. Hindsight might be one thing but at the time bringing in the vet while you settled down the rookie isn't a terrible move.

@tiamat63 said:

0-9, desperate team, desperate coach in a close game. By now the losses weigh very heavy on you.

From the view on the field from behind our bench, these our true. Hue tried to Spark his team with a chance of Expanding the Playbook with JMc. Kess did bail on plays due to poor OL play & poorly ran WR routes. Kess's limited playbook, ran out & Kess's slow anticipation, was a pick waiting to happen, imo. Both problems continued, leading to more dink n dunk. Balt. decided not to be embarrassed by a win less team & started playing with fire in 2nd half. We have not all season. Our serious problem is OL pass blocking & WR's poorly running routes (roundoffs), including Pryor.Our conditioning & "Want to" has not matched any team we have played in 2nd half. Travel with Dad & his band of Midshipman to head to Annapolis later today..Tulsa at Navy..The March In awaits & hey it Veterans Day, this was only a game...HAPPY VETERANS DAY TO ALL OUR BOARD MEMBER VETERANS..BLESSED & THANK YOU..

@wargograw said:

This was a bad move by coach Jackson. It sucks. Learn from it. Move on. This alone is not reason to turn on him. He's learning along with our players, along with our front office, along with our owner.

Be patient.

He coached 8 games in oakland for the raiders.. Im not buying the rookie coach excuse.. Hue blows...

@wargograw said:

And I totally disagree with tiam and cal that this was a good move. This completely took the air out of the entire team. You could tell they were all like "wtf?" and the defense, in addition to being in a state of questioning the move, then had to go play after McCown pretty much immediately throws a pick.

That'll deflate you.

I thought Hue would at least evaluate Kessler under pressure? Now we will never know and Kessler has probably lost his confidence. The score was close and McClown's second attempt was intercepted.

How do you defend such ineptitude week after week, year after year? Dysfunctional Front office, An owner who has no football instincts, a coach who can't even manage the first quarter without burning two timeouts!

The Browns are a mess, Hue Sucks!

@wargograw said:

Never said it was a good move. I said I understood why .

@tour2ma said:

Spark? ROTFL Tour. McClown was the ABC multi-purpose fire extinguisher on any momentum we had. Did Hue tell Cody- "Look real close son, THAT'S how you lose a game."

@tiamat63 said:

0-9, desperate team, desperate coach in a close game. By now the losses weigh very heavy on you.

They ain't heavy, they're my brothers. Hey Hue, we're ten games in- you mantra "we have to play better" don't mean shit.

@d-bone said:

Let us not also forget about having to call a TO before the first play of the game because we had 12 men on the field...... < That, and benching your 3rd round "Trust Me" pick of the future are 2 prime examples of how not to coach in the NFL.

Two TOs in the first 5 minutes- just special.

Absolute nonsense. They cant pick and choose, they rid of us of any "experience" so why would you not run with the no experience?

That'll deflate you.