@jadbf said:

Either that or for you to admit you make shit up to defend your girl DA....

Lumms has no more defense for DA after last season and willingly admitting he was toast himself.

All he has left is slandering Quinn and everyone that wants to see if Quinn can or cannot be a real NFL qb.

@inspecta said:

1. EM would of named him starter right off the bat

2. Teams would of called us about DA.

Neither has happened. Sure you can say "you don't know that teams haven't called" but c'mon guys, this is a league built on things being leaked. Trade rumors swirl all around during the offseason, and not one involved DA.

That's because nobody wants him, because nobody is desperate enough for him (yet)

Let's hope some other teams have some serious injuries at the QB position that will make them desperate to take him on the fly.

This.

@drunkandstoopid said:

Anyway, the whole "trend" theory is a bunch of hooey. You have to look at the situations, the receivers, what the rest of the team is also doing to really evaluate how a QB affects or doesn't affect a game.

Are you really gonna use the preseason excuse? What did DA do again during the 2007 preseason? An upward trend on his last four starts? More like a continuation of the scatter shot DA is. From one week to another you get something different. That's a trend.

By the way, DA did practice and watch film during camp after the concussion. Just not out doors because of light. He wasn't sitting around doing nothing.

You can say it's a bunch of hooey, but coaches and scouts around the NFL will tell you otherwise. Or has the situation week to week from HS to today really been varying that greatly? I don't think so.

@drunkandstoopid said:

Anyway, the whole "trend" theory is a bunch of hooey. You have to look at the situations, the receivers, what the rest of the team is also doing to really evaluate how a QB affects or doesn't affect a game.

So you're blaming his suckitude on the preseason concussion?

Masters said:

Why not? Coming off a preseason that he really didn't play or practice because of a concussion, and starting when he probably shouldn't have... his QB rating sucked. His last four games before the demotion actually were for the most part pretty reasonable, definitely on an upward "trend".

Anyway, the whole "trend" theory is a bunch of hooey. You have to look at the situations, the receivers, what the rest of the team is also doing to really evaluate how a QB affects or doesn't affect a game.

@dan-in-florida said:

Shhhh.... we wouldn't want to bring up DA's trends when it comes to QB rating.

I just want to win games regardless who the QB is. I just happen to know DA is not the guy. If Ratliff ends up a winning QB for us...fantastic!

@ballpeen said:

I think as he feels the job is his, which up to this point I don't think he ever really felt that way, he will start looking to put the ball down the field rather than jump to the bailout toss to early.

I would rather see some picks then see 3 passes for 7 yards like we did with Slouch.

That's the real decision the coaches have to make. Do they want an offense that has a chance to score quickly, or one that grinds it out a few yards at a time. It's easy to have a good completion percentage if you dump it all the time, heck Charlie Fry had a 64% completion rate in his big 4 win (one of which was a comeback led by DA) season for the Browns.

@drunkandstoopid said:

Also, you are once again making inaccurate statements about DA. He's had sub 50% games once in '06, and 4 times in each '07 and '08.

I mis-read. My bad.

Last year, 3 games of sub 50%, 2 at 51/52%, and 1 at 56%. So 6 of his 9 starts he was sub-par by NFL standards. In 2007 3 at below 50%, 2 at 51%, 3 at 55%. So that is 8 of his 15 starts that are sub-par by NFL standards. In 2006 1 at sub 50% and 1 at 56%. So 2 of his 3 were sub-par by NFL standards. Put that all together an you have 16 of his 27 NFL starts are sub-par when it comes to completing passes. That's a trend, and a very bad one. Heck, you look at year one as the named starter to year 2 and he got worse, not better. That is the problem with DA. This is also his trend since HS.

Then look at him by half and last 2 minutes of halfs. Last year he got worse from the 1st half of games to the 2nd half (52% to 49%). In the last two minutes of a half he is 32%. In 2007 he wasn't all that much better either. He is who he is, and it isn't good enough to be a middle tier QB in the NFL. That is not acceptable.

@ballpeen said:

I think as he feels the job is his, which up to this point I don't think he ever really felt that way, he will start looking to put the ball down the field rather than jump to the bailout toss to early.

I would rather see some picks then see 3 passes for 7 yards like we did with Slouch.

Could his finger had been bothering him? I don't know.

I agree though. He was dumping it off an awful lot.

I agree, and that is one thing that has bothered me about Quinn, though it is way to early to tell if it is a trend. He was looking a lot like Couch with the dump passes.

I think as he feels the job is his, which up to this point I don't think he ever really felt that way, he will start looking to put the ball down the field rather than jump to the bailout toss to early.

I would rather see some picks then see 3 passes for 7 yards like we did with Slouch.

@drunkandstoopid said:

Pretty sure he only threw 8 passes, dipshit. And TWO of them were dropped, in the END-ZONE.

are you Derek Anderson or something?

@pl4tinum said:

Go back a year.... 37.5% baby! And the fans were chanting BRADY,BRADY,BRADY!!!

Masters said:

Sub 50% do make up the majority of DA's starts. You don't have a career 50 some odd % average by being over that number regularly.

Go back and read the original post. It was stated that the only time Quinn ever reached the 50% mark was against the worst defense in the league.

Also, you are once again making inaccurate statements about DA. He's had sub 50% games once in '06, and 4 times in each '07 and '08.

@drunkandstoopid said:

Also for the sake of accuracy... In regular season DA has had games of 71.9% against Baltimore, 72% against Miami, 72% against Seattle, 68.6% against Houston, as well as numerous other 60%+ games. His sub 50% games do not make up half or the majority of his games. If you want to compare early DA against BQ, DA only had one sub 50% game in his first 4 appearances with the Baltimore game mentioned earlier being among those early games.

For the sake of even more accuracy, Quinn only played one game without an injury, oh! Just happened to be that 65.7% completion rate game.

@drunkandstoopid said:

Also for the sake of accuracy... In regular season DA has had games of 71.9% against Baltimore, 72% against Miami, 72% against Seattle, 68.6% against Houston, as well as numerous other 60%+ games. His sub 50% games do not make up half or the majority of his games. If you want to compare early DA against BQ, DA only had one sub 50% game in his first 4 appearances with the Baltimore game mentioned earlier being among those early games.

To the other guys. I actually hope Mangini makes his decision by mid summer and gets on with whatever his plans are. If he chooses DA there will be a LOT of whining on this board that BQ didn't get a chance. If they dump DA and pick BQ, hopefully both guys will get a full preseason in with their respective teams... last year BQ pretty much got that, between the stupid Frye competition in '07 and the concussion in '08, DA's never got that.

Ah, but not what I responded to. It was stated that when he played the worst D, he couldn't complete 50%. What happened in the other two starts, well he broke his finger early in that second start.

Sub 50% do make up the majority of DA's starts. You don't have a career 50 some odd % average by being over that number regularly.

Aloysius said:

As it turns out, Ratliff and Quinn faced Georgia Tech in back to back games: Ratliff in the '05 Fiesta Bowl, Quinn in the opening game of the '06 season. Here are the two guys' stats.

Brett Ratliff

• 30/41, 381 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT

• 23/38, 246 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT

Maybe then the argument would start with something like, you must be kidding comparing apples and oranges. You're talking two different seasons. But, since Quinn can't win big games, Ratliff must be the beter QB. Hell, look at Harrell's stats, he should be starting ahead of everybody.

Masters said:

For the sake of accuracy... Brady Quinn's only game where he reached at least a 50% completion rate. His second best game was 44.4%, his other games were below 40%

Also for the sake of accuracy... In regular season DA has had games of 71.9% against Baltimore, 72% against Miami, 72% against Seattle, 68.6% against Houston, as well as numerous other 60%+ games. His sub 50% games do not make up half or the majority of his games. If you want to compare early DA against BQ, DA only had one sub 50% game in his first 4 appearances with the Baltimore game mentioned earlier being among those early games.

To the other guys. I actually hope Mangini makes his decision by mid summer and gets on with whatever his plans are. If he chooses DA there will be a LOT of whining on this board that BQ didn't get a chance. If they dump DA and pick BQ, hopefully both guys will get a full preseason in with their respective teams... last year BQ pretty much got that, between the stupid Frye competition in '07 and the concussion in '08, DA's never got that.

@drunkandstoopid said:

Ha ha, this is perhaps the funniest of the Manwagon lines.

D&S, do me a favor, comb the board (Spaceballs flash; giant pick in the desert... haha...sorry...) and find me JUST ONE POST that states that Quinn should be "handed" the job.

You can't, because it's not here.

What "some" have actually said -- myself included -- is that it's a waste of time to hold a QB competition, and possibly detrimental to the team's preparation, unless the coach REALLY doesn''t have a clue who he wants to start.

And if he REALLY doesn't know who he wants to start then you have much bigger problems than the QB. Remember how RAC did this very thing?

So, it's not about fear of Quinn failing, it's about fear that Mangini doesn't ACTUALLY know who his QB is.

Does Mangini strike you as the flip-a-coin type?

Yeah, me neither. Which is bad news for your boy.

@drunkandstoopid said:

If you want to cherry pick DA, the same can be done for BQ.

Um, the worst pass D Quinn faced was DEN. It wasn't a 50% completion %, it was 65.7%. To put that in perspective for you, that is a career high for DA.

@lumbergh said:

He also called DA one of the worst starting QBs before the start of last season. I like your choice of sources.

@inspecta said:

Uh huh,yeah we definitely shouldn't give a 1st round pick a chance.....brilliant!!

I'm all for giving him a chance to win the spot in an open competition. Totally for that. Some of you guys are so fearful that he can't win it you want the job handed to him.

@pl4tinum said:

And Quinn racked up his only 50% completion NFL performance against the worst pass defense in the league, still lost.

If you want to cherry pick DA, the same can be done for BQ.