@texasag1969 said:

Cincy because of injuries.

That does give us a better chance to win. But, we have injury issues as well. I'm hoping for the win but the bungholes still have a better O and D line. A better chance to win? Yes. A good chance to win? Doubt it.

@mudfly said:

The only way I will be able to say "I told you so" is to keep picking against the next opponent the rest of the year.

@mudfly said:

There's always opening day 2017 Mud. I just looked up the Vegas odds. I'm no gambler, but does this mean a $10 buck bet week four could have netted you $20,000 if they lose out? Hoorta needs a new car.

"Just how bad could this Browns season be? Online sportsbook Sports Interaction is offering odds on Cleveland going winless this year, as oddsmakers have tabbed the Browns with a +145 chance of finishing 0-16. Entering Week 4, those odds were available at +2000.

According to Prediction Machine, the Browns have a 23.4 percent chance of losing every game from here on out. The highest probability is one win (39.7 percent), followed by two wins (26.8)."

This started with game #1, I believe, when it was said that Philly was our best chance to win....then it was the Skins, then the Titans, then the Bungles, then the Jets, then the Ravens, then the Giants.....and now, who?.....the Bungles again?.....and then the Chargers?

Keep pickin em guys.....your bound to get it eventually.....

@the-gipper said:

@texasag1969 said:

Cincy because of injuries.

Coming off our bye,depends if the Bengals have mailed it in- the Browns probably haven't- too hungry for a win. I could see that game as a pick 'em, or even have the Browns slightly favored. Might have a shot at the Chargers too.

I give the Browns about zero odds of pulling out a win against the Bills in Buffalo, and especially against the Steelers on the road if they're fighting for a playoff spot.

@the-gipper said:

Cincy because of injuries.

@hoorta said:

It may be superfluous......do any of you actually see the Browns winning a game?

@texasag1969 said:

Probably....because they have Kaepernick. Who I think can still be a quality QB with enough around him.

But, here's the thing.....the 9ers would probably want to extract something significant from the Browns for them not to take Trubisky. ....even if they didn't really want him....fair to say?

They would want our young guys to look like that Jacksonville GM from Draft Day.

@the-gipper said:

You're a little confused on how I came up with that number Gip. It's not "thus far". I also counted in the current record (read that wins) of teams the Browns and 49ers have yet to play. It's projected over the entire 17 week season. Will that # change? Of course, but it's at least a measuring stick.

What kills the Browns vs. 49ers on SOS, is San Fran has played (or will) the 4 win X2 Rams, 4 win X2 Cardinals, the 4 win Panthers, and the 2 win Bears. (Jets doesn't count, because it's a common opponent & that's true of all common opponents.)

Teams we want to see win- Cardinals, Carolina, Tampa, Saints, Bears, Rams, Falcons, Seahawks (except when they play San Fran)

Teams we want to see lose- Eagles (double because we have their first round) , Titans (double because we have their second round) , Redskins, Giants, Ravens, Chargers, Bengals, Steelers (LOL, except when they play the Browns)

@the-gipper said:

SF needs Garrett more than they need a QB.

@browns1216 said:

Have you not been paying attention on this Board: A Quarterback.

@d-bone said:

That does actually concern me.

The Browns remaining opponents: Steelers/Bengals/Bills/Chargers are 20-23-1 .465

The 49ers remaining opponents: Falcons/Rams/Bears/Jets/Seahawks are 23-31-1 .426

So, for the Browns to get the #1 pick....of course all they have to do is lose the rest of the way....or at least lose fewer than the 49ers.

Or if they tie they must have a weaker SOS.....and we won't know that any time soon.

But....let's put it this way: the Bengals/Jets and Bears are looking about as bad as the Browns are looking at this point.

@hoorta said:

I don't think so. You said that Browns opponents have won 60 games thus far, and the 49ers foes have 54 The Browns have played 12 opponents. the 49ers have played only 11 opponents.

So, perhaps we should look at it like this:

Average number of wins of Browns opponents: 5 60/12. Average number of wins by 49ers opponents: 4.909. So, yes, for now the 49ers would have a better run.....but they also have a stronger remaining schedule I believe.

@texasag1969 said:

Yup, sure did. It hurts that the Cardinals and Rams are playing poorly. I expected better out of Arizona. I could see the Browns eking out a win against the beat up Bengals, or the Chargers- but both? Doubtful.

The game against the Bengals after the bye will be telling. both teams will have little to play for. The Browns will either come out fired up, or have mailed in the season.

@the-gipper said:

But, the Niners have played one more game than the Browns. That is why.

This week we have the last two teams to take their byes I believe: Browns and Titans.

Subject to change, every Atlanta, Arizona (man, they're sucking) & Seattle win helps the Browns. I'll update as needed.

@hoorta said:

But, the Niners have played one more game than the Browns. That is why.

This week we have the last two teams to take their byes I believe: Browns and Titans.

@hoorta said:

Bump. In the race to #1. Darn, the Niners almost pulled it out against Miami. Here's the update. San Fran better beat the Bears- because it just got worse. In case of identical records, San Fran picks first. Their opponents have 54 wins, the Browns 60.

@texasag1969 said:

@the-gipper said:

Probably.. I just went over this in another thread.

Yeah- I just took a look at that Gip, and I'm worried. Only sure way to get that #1 overall is to lose out.

IIRC it's not "division SoS, it's overall SoS. OK, probably a little early to do the projection. But I did. First, throw out the 5 common opponents (Cowboys, Pats, ect.) Insert current records of teams yet to be played. Assume both the 49ers and the Browns both lose this week. Give the Browns a win somewhere down the road.

Browns have played the tougher schedule (by two more opponent wins to date). Pick second.

Throwing out the non-common games.....

49ers finish with Falcons, Bears, Rams Seahawks. (49ers best chance at another win)

Browns finish with Giants, Bungles, Chargers, Steelers.

I'll call the Falcons\Giants games a wash as to record. In the race for the #1 overall, the Browns losing to both the Bungles and Steelers would be very bad. (Ups their win total)

So, in a nutshell, root for the Falcons and Seahawks to win, and everyone left on the Browns non-division schedule to lose.

@texasag1969 said:

Probably.. I just went over this in another thread.

@hoorta said:

But we have to win 2 to "lose" the race due to division strength of schedule.