@one-post said:

A 16 Candles reference. OK.

@one-post said:

No more yankie my wankie. The Donger need food!

@tiamat63 said:

Horse Dong.

@westside-steve said:

F*** those grapes. They are probably sour anyway.

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Did the Browns actually win the Carson Wentz trade? Browns Future QB Tracker, Week 13
By Doug Lesmerises, cleveland.com
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/12/did_the_browns_actually_win_th.html

The heart of the article is an interview with an Eagles writer for NJ.com.

"After starting out red hot, Wentz has not shown many signs of improvement over the past few weeks, and the same issues that have plagued him since training camp -- high throws, risk passes -- are still there," Shorr-Parks wrote in an e-mail. "It feels more like he has hit a plateau, and the fact he hasn't shown significant signs of improvement could be considered alarming. His long term prognosis, however, is still very high."

Embedded in the above article are links to a number of NJ articles. Eagles fan base bleeds significantly into western NJ. This one shows where the Wentz-coaster has gone as the season has progressed:

Eagles' worst nightmare: What if Carson Wentz isn't that good?
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2016/12/eagles_worst_nightmare_what_if_carson_wentz_isnt_t.html#incart_river_index

There's even a question about Doug Pederson's job security for mishandling their rookie QB.

Shades of us...

@gftchris said:

So we're saying Wentz, a rookie from a small school program, hasn't been perfect in his first NFL season after spending his offseason being told he's not ready or going to start and being 3rd string? Outrageous. The kid will be fine, but he's not Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning so I'm not any more bothered about him not being our QB than Carr, Mariota, Big Ben, Rodgers and the rest.

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@texasag1969 said:

So he's already declared he's heading three states east?

@texasag1969 said:

What great LB's we don't have, but starters are on the way. My son scouted the one from Plano East last year and he says he is a "Bama" level ILB from day one. H.S. Man among boys even as a Junior.

Whose fault is your first 6 words? And if you think that's our only issue I don't know what to say.

@wargograw said:

And we haven't even mentioned true sophs (NG and both safeties) they start that could come out in 2018. Yep, trade for the whole team and the Browns would win.

@tour2ma said:

Landon Collins, DPOY candidate - decent.

To say nothing of Ragland, Robinson, Reed, Jones all drafted last year but I don't believe are starting yet. And I'm probably missing a guy or two.

@the-gipper said:

Decent?

@sdballis said:

we actually have scouting.....did not know that....you are wrong....wentz is a winner, eagles just need more weapons...

@bob806 said:

We were kind of looking at basically the Saban era at Alabama, or just a bit before.

If you want to look historically, the Univ. of Illinois produced both Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke.

Miami had Ted Hendricks, Ray Lewis, and Warren Sapp.

Historically, Alabama has produced far more offensive stars. See their list of HOFers:

@wargograw said:

Decent, not dominant, as some might expect.

@wargograw said:

Hightower. Collins. Mosley. Dareus. Kirkpatrick. McClain. Clinton-Dix. Jackson. Barron.

Don't forget about Cornelius Bennet and Antonio Langham.

@the-gipper said:

So, Bama has had these great defenses.......yet let's ask this: how many of them have done all that well when it comes to their NFL careers?

Alabama has had good receivers: Julio Jones, Amari Cooper.

But what defenders have been really good? One guy, maybe, the LB, that plays for the Ravens perhaps (Upshaw?) Anyone else?

Or, is the East German effect in play here?

Hightower. Collins. Mosley. Dareus. Kirkpatrick. McClain. Clinton-Dix. Jackson. Barron.

@gftchris said:

... and Tannehill. Folks have been on and off the Tannehill wagon many times..

@gftchris said:

Yes, but it would be appropriate to get excited over those who would succeed. The problem, of course, is telling the difference early on.

@the-gipper said:

Which is why is stupid when people get all excited over a guy who *jon gruden voice* 'has prototypical size, has a great arm, can make all the throws, is tough to bring down' - that could describe a whole lot of backups and guys who just flat out failed.

@gftchris said:

Yes, Bortles seemingly has all the physical tools. But, of course, it is primarily the mental tools that make a great QB: See Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Bernie (not your greatest physical specimen).

@gftchris said:

OK, In terms of career production DeMeco Ryans Dareus, Roman Harper have been the best.

Some good players...but nothing dominant in comparison to how they dominate in college.

(In comparison....over the same period, Ohio State has produced as many or more good pro defenders as Alabama)