@hoorta said:

Not to mention the out-of-pocket Jimmah laid out for stadium improvements. Not exactly a move a businessman planning a move would make.

Zombo said:

Parallel sounds like a tie inducing move at best... ditto for immediate locking...

You want a win? One-week ban...

@mudfly said:

17....and, even after that, some wont get your point.....

... or will and summarily reject it.

I placed it right next to the far more popular, "refs are screwing us" conspiracy theory in my "Worthless crap I read on the BrownsBoard" file.

@mudfly said:

So...to me...PFF is a great tool, but not to be taken as gospel(which way too many people and writers do).....

Absolutely... while I prefer it to game watchers who after one casual viewing "grade" every player on the field, PFF has it's limitations.

It's not a gospel "higher score = better player" and certainly shouldn't be treated as such. It's just 'how well did you execute what was asked of you' and that's why you see our OL outside of Cam turning up in their top five every game. Four out of five guys blocking well and the center whiffing = sack or tfl. People then say 'hey we got sacked/stuffed/concussed we need a whole new OL' without taking a moment to look a little deeper.

@syd said:

FWIW, the NFL can't "force" an owner to move a team. They can force him to sell it if they feel it's being totally mismanaged. That has happened at least once (Patriots). Haslam can't move the team even if he wants to, at least until 2028 when the lease is up. Part of the deal when Modell pulled the rug out from under Cleveland was the best lawyers in the city drew up an ironclad stadium lease that's virtually impossible for a Browns owner to break.

@browns149 said:

well I am sure the other owners are glad someone is showing up at the games

makes ya wonder how long it will take them to force haslem to move the team

@clevfan4life said:

Well...I think they are just saying Cam had a good game.....

PFF has a lot of good stuff and great stats that you wont find elsewhere.....the problems come in when people mis-use the information and mis-understand the ratings and what they mean.....too many just grab a score and declare this guy is terrible or great, w/o understanding where it comes from or what it means....

So...to me...PFF is a great tool, but not to be taken as gospel(which way too many people and writers do).....

@mudfly said:

17....and, even after that, some wont get your point.....

You get me though right? I mean now they're telling us cam erving is grading out tops. I would love to take a look at their metrics sometime. Its like they give browns players points for a well pressed uni and properly affixed chin strap. It seriously the most vexing shit ive ever encountered and i was exposed to stats for business and marketing. I just dont see how these pff clowns are ascribing their attributes. Cause if u look at the tape and give a player a 1 for blocking his man or a 0 for getting beat, than avg'ing that against the rest of the league at that position.....there is no possible way our o line is grading high with the exception of JT.

I get it, its more complicated than 0's and 1's cause how long did the qb hold the ball....was that rusher supposed to be picked up by a RB etc, etc. Im just beside myself tho how people can watch browns ol diving backwards at the ankles of guys they were supposed to keep infront of them, and say something like "oh that was a tricky stunting def tackle so we're gonna give partial credit here"

@clevfan4life said:

17....and, even after that, some wont get your point.....

@unsympathetic said:

What kind of bizarro world is this.. Cam Erving was PFF's highest rated Browns O player vs the Bills, higher than even JT with an 81.2..

How many times do i have to say it, PFF are trolling us

@gftchris said:

Ha!...yeah, they showed several similar looks throughout the game.....coaches are clearly frustrated......as they should be....

@browns52 said:

hey mud, i remember back in the summer on the board where everyone was discussing music opinions, you sent me a chicago video of "make me smile". well maybe this will make you smile and forget about jimmah and his clowns..Jan 1st on cnn there will be a documentary on chicago. I think at 8pm. Should be great...looking foward to it...Just wanted to let you know.

Awesome......Ill be sure to check it out....thanks for the heads up////

@tour2ma said:

This question just struck me...

Have we won a game since BrownsDawgPound took over OP'ing the weekly "Official" game thread?

Ahhhhh.....finally I have someone to blame......BDP better watch out...!

@gftchris said:

Yup.

And almost every other time they show the sidelines it's Hue shaking his head at what he just saw.

A lotta head shaking going on on our sidelines.

@tour2ma said:

Not sure, but it is safe to say his overall record is not goo.

Maybe we should revolt next week and start a parallel thread. I'm sure we would win then.

Zombo

@browns52 said:

Ya, that's our offensive coordinator.

Zombo

Have we won a game since BrownsDawgPound took over OP'ing the weekly "Official" game thread?

@gftchris said:

what the fuck is a pep hamilton....guess i don't keep up with the assistant coachies as i should...but really, do i want to...

@mudfly said:

I totally disagree...I think they should sell out the stadium. However, all ushers will issue head bags to every fan and it is mandatory that they all wear them proudly...

@mudfly said:

hey mud, i remember back in the summer on the board where everyone was discussing music opinions, you sent me a chicago video of "make me smile". well maybe this will make you smile and forget about jimmah and his clowns..Jan 1st on cnn there will be a documentary on chicago. I think at 8pm. Should be great...looking foward to it...Just wanted to let you know.

@texasag1969 said:

What on God's green earth makes you think we could identify a TE to double team?

I thought our HC is a genius.

@gftchris said:

What on God's green earth makes you think we could identify a TE to double team?

@hoorta said:

It's like a standard 4-3 and secondary, with three extra players so we can double team every tight end and running back, and make all the tackles the other guys miss?

@miktoxic said:

MIk, I like that- maybe the Browns could win a few if they played 14 on 11.

@clevfan4life said:

I dont understand the fan base being in shock over a winless season when it was predicted. We knew it was gonna be an overhaul. The onlynthing that really incenses me is not using this season to grow. If they start rg again instead of seeing further whatbwe have in kessler or hogan, than this qb carousel will continue next season and thevresults will be the same. If we dont build a consistent def id then the results will also be the same on def next year.....and thats unacceptable.

Having a winless season is more stomachable to me then a cobbled 1-2 win season that leaves offseason question marks about team needs. If we committed to the 4-3 than we can just go out and get a 4-3 DE. Staying in this hybrid garbage brings in to question who we draft. Can allen play the 5 tech? Can garett standup? We do this shit every year. If we go to a 4-3 it doesnt really matter if we get allen or garett.

Let me guess.... your daily number is 4-3-3-4?