@vagitron said:

WOW! Last time I saw this kid at the combines, he looked sleepier than Dracula in daylight. The first thing that came to mind was does someone want to get this kid a cup of coffee to power down? This kid's arm doesn't look sleepy at all. Who said he has a weak arm?

I haven't seen that many lasers off the back foot since Brett Favre turned unique into common place up in GB. He's got really good vision and pocket presence I was not expecting. There's also a slight blend of Tony Romo in this guy...

Here I was talking myself into an alternative like Webb later in the draft and now I see why this kid beat him out. I'll be honest, I was dismissing him up until now.

@the-gipper said:

Brandon Weeden. Derek Anderson. Big arm does not mean accurate arm or good brain. Now, I don't know if Mahomos is deficient at either....but I would NOT just go with the guy with the best arm. Even the pitcher that throws 100 mph needs to have some movement on his ball to get batters out.

I agree with this sentiment, but I will say, even though Mahomes has some funky mechanics, he still delivers the ball accurately more often than not. My main concern with Pat is his ability to process information at the NFL level.

@vagitron said:

Vag... prune your inbox...

@hoorta said:

Because we're tired of shopping in the bargain bin? I've watched some of Mahomes, and read the critiques. My 0.02? He's a bigger, maybe more mobile version of Johnny Football. Without the drinking problem. Mechanics are a mess. & yes I'm aware Walter Football mocked him to the Browns in the second round. Why would we want to draft a Griffin clone?

His mechanics can be fixed and he knows they aren't great. I think with time to learn he could end up being the best QB in this class, easy.

@londonbrown said:

Brandon Weeden. Derek Anderson. Big arm does not mean accurate arm or good brain. Now, I don't know if Mahomos is deficient at either....but I would NOT just go with the guy with the best arm. Even the pitcher that throws 100 mph needs to have some movement on his ball to get batters out.

@westside-steve said:

Fond memory regardless of how short it was Steve. He was best known for beating the Steelers the day Turkey Jones double dribbled Bradshaw off the hard surface.

Having said that, we never did find out why or how Lambert went from "QBs should wear dresses" after he hit the 180 lb Sipe 5 yards out of bounds to becoming terrified of our QBs. All we know is David Mays was a Dentist and Lambert lost his 2 front teeth during that football season. It felt like an outrageous sequel to Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer way back when Santa remembered Cleveland existed.

@londonbrown said:

Mahomes tied the record for ball velocity measured with the radar gun at combine. Fair to say this guy has an arm...

Three words. Dr. Dave Mays.

WSS

@the-gipper said:

Not apples to apples but that same defense surrendered 19 to Auburn in the Bowl Game, which was 7 more than the Tide allowed.

@hoorta said:

I hear you. We all want a better, stable QB situation.

While the mechanics, velocity, and progressions are important, something tells me Hue keys in on other intangibles, like "is the guy a leader?" It wouldn't shock me if he grabs Watson, a two + year starter.

@bob806 said:

Read the article. Shoulda stuck to baseball. 95 mph fastball. Best arm in this draft class? Um sure. I said it way back- bigger version of Manziel with a better arm, and none of the off field baggage. Lousy mechanics duly noted. If he's still there in the second round- maybe.

WSS

@cdl15 said:

Fair enough on the defense bit. But make no mistake they were a top 5 team with an impressive 10 game winning streak.

IMO opinion Mahomes not only has the best arm in the draft he also is the most elusive in the pocket. Honestly I'll take any of them but Trubisky. I foresee a the bust label all over that dude

You highlight two of the lowest priority qualities in a starting QB.

Should tell you something.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/03/01/nfl-draft-patrick-mahomes-ii-texas-tech-quarterback-first-round-prospect

@cdl15 said:

Well...you have Brandon Weeden as your avatar. How much credibility can you have at judging QB talent?

Actually what see in Kizer is basically the new Brandon Weeden. All arm, no touch...not much between the ears.

IMO opinion Mahomes not only has the best arm in the draft he also is the most elusive in the pocket. Honestly I'll take any of them but Trubisky. I foresee a the bust label all over that dude

@cdl15 said:

How can a team that gives up 700 passing yards be one of the best teams in the country. I would say that is a team that pretty much sucked at playing defense.

@tiamat63 said:

I stopped at 'Mel Kipers opinion'.

Yeah, not a lot of faith in a guy who nearly drowned in Jamarcus Russell/Jimmy Clausen Semen.

Mitch2Pryor said:

If he declares, he's going to be a late riser because he's a fucking 6'4 235 Johnny Manziel. Mark my words, if he declares he's going to go high (first 2 rounds) because of his upside

Sounds like what's coming to fruition if you ask me...

@tiamat63 said:

I have no problem with what he does. I'm not one of these people that sits here and criticizes disciplinary actions. I just think it's funny when everyone acts like their coach is a great man and doesn't cheat and doesn't play players that shouldn't be playing, etc. Only the "other guys" do that.

I don't know what your first sentence means? Les Miles? How is he relevant here? Coincidentally enough, I actually had an LSU chick tell me one night when I talked about a player they bought "we don't pay players, Coach Miles wouldn't allow that." You are the Ohio State version of that girl right now.

A friend of mine played for Urban Meyer. If you think he's a good guy you're absolutely delusional.

And Percy Harvin would refuse to work out with the team. He'd tell coaches to f off. Etc. That's just one example. Urban has a long history of playing favorites with good players. Again, I don't care one way or the other. Just not gonna sit here and listen to people say he's some disciplinarian extraordinaire.

Mitch2Pryor said:

Your lack of mental capacity is astounding. He can't throw consistently with accuracy? 66% completion percentage this year. He can't execute basic offense? Really? The Air Raid system is pretty basic and here's his stats this year

5052 yds, 41 TDs 10 INTs

You should really think before you spill ignorance out of your mouth

66% completion percentage is nothing special in an Air Raid offense that is almost always sending five men on routes on every play. That's firmly in the "acceptable" range for a college QBs in friendly offenses.

69+ for a season is really the range where people get wowed - see RG3, Luck, Wilson etc.

The Air Raid is not a basic NFL offense. It is an offense geared more for the college ranks as it capitalizes on brekdowns in coverage and flooding the field with receiving options to exploit mismatches.

Cal is notorious for running an Air Raid influenced offense and they haven't kicked out a day one starter QB in some time. Even Rodgers, the crowning jewel of Cal, sat behind Favre and was subject to "QB school" while he learned the nuances of NFL QB play. Boller and Goff both had trouble transitioning, Mahomes will too.

Basic concepts like three and five step drops from center, hitch timing, play action footwork, and blindside pressure feel aren't taught or needed extensively in the Air Raid, as a majority of your snaps are taken from shotgun.

The Air Raid is a fringe system offense. It's not gimmicky or completely without base, but it does not translate well to the NFL. The one redeeming quality is that most Air Raid QBs tend to be above average passers, but that's really it.

I think the ignorance is coming from your end, I'm not really sure you know what you're talking about.