Or, it may not. Frankly, I care more what the Browns players themselves actually think - since they're the ones who would experience whatever you're asserting.

No surprise - they agree with me, and not you.

But keep moving those goalposts!

Winning is ephemeral for some. Take the Arizona Cardinals. One year up, several years down. Even winning in the short term has not really changed that team's culture.

And as we have seen, certainly for the Cleveland Browns, losing is NOT ephemeral. It may indeed be cultural.

Lots of reports saying we have an interest in Tyrod Taylor....not really an upgrade on RG3

Agreed we are just 3 -4 players off ...... come on down Bell, Brown, Berry and Cousins

Nothing against Mitch trubisky but I don't agree with that. Many positions are able to start and make a difference right off the bat. Usually quarterbacks take a little bit of time.

WSS

Right. And this year we have a edge rusher who is about as sure a bet as can be had when drafting players, or QBs who all have question marks.

I think all of the QBs in this class are highly inflated. I am not saying they aren't or can't be good. I am just saying it would be a mistake to gamble with that first pick. We can't blow it, and we really need some immediate impact.

Yeah, I'm actually right there with you on this, BUT the severe problem is, the "3-4 players" we need just happen to be some of the most difficult positions to fill. We need a QB (duh...), and it's not like we haven't been trying for 15 years. We need a dominant edge rusher. Those are the two most difficult positions to nail in the draft or otherwise, and they could both drastically alter the trajectory of our team.

There are some excellent words used in this thread. Words rarely seen in an internet pissing match

I would defy you to float that stupid shit anywhere other than in Cleveland and see if you don't end up in a straight jacket.

The thing your tiny little football mind prevents you from seeing is that on a barren desert plain, a five foot tall tree stands out, in a forest full of big trees, you won't see it.

Your forest has 3 Big trees. Without them, you got tundra.

And that's it.

Joe Thomas and Joel Bitonio are both better than any linemen you have. Foolish fan hyperbole!

Really? Joe Thomas is a no doubt HOFer. Bitonio is as good as any OL you have. He and DeCastro may be about on par.

The rest of the Browns OL...maybe not so much.

But your ignorance is palpable.

Barnidge is as good or better than your TE. Nice player but on a team with talent he becomes far less impactful. Foolish fan hyperbole!

Your ignorance is palpable. On a better team, he would have even more impact. If he had BR instead of our numbnuts throwing to he would be much better.

Kirksey has been every bit as productive in his career as Shazier. You're a gluehead!

Per PFR here are the career productions of each player: Kirksey 174 tackles, 8.0 sacks. Shazier 137 tackles 7.0 sacks. Kirksey has been better so far.

You WOULD start Shelton on your DL. Nice player but on a team with talent he becomes far less impactful. Foolish fan hyperbole!

Your ignorance is palpable. If he played on your team you would be clamoring to have him enshrined already.

Jamie Collins, if he decides to play is probably as good as any of your LBs. You're a gluehead!

You would drool to have him. Your ignorance is palpable.

You have no DB as good as Joe Haden (if he is healthy...which he has not been) Put a fork in him!

Maybe the only thing close to accurate you have said....but even over the hill...he is still better than any DB on the Steelers.

Overall, sure, the Steelers have more. But to say that the Steelers are better at every single position than the Browns is as ignorant as ignorant can be.

(and yes, if you take the 3 Bs off Pissburgh and put them on the Browns....the situations are reversed. NOT EVEN CLOSE.....and anyone with a brain would know it.

Sure, go ahead. Without the 3 Bs, the Browns should have handed the Steelers their ass. Only their own massive fuckups prevented it.

Now go ahead and take what you saw there, but give the Browns those 3 guys.

Yea. You know what would happen.

If not, you are even more ignorant than a snail.

Of course, as the old adage goes, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. for some reason the Browns are less than the sum of their parts.

And that's it.

Joe Thomas and Joel Bitonio are both better than any linemen you have. Foolish fan hyperbole!

Barnidge is as good or better than your TE. Nice player but on a team with talent he becomes far less impactful. Foolish fan hyperbole!

Kirksey has been every bit as productive in his career as Shazier. You're a gluehead!

You WOULD start Shelton on your DL. Nice player but on a team with talent he becomes far less impactful. Foolish fan hyperbole!

Jamie Collins, if he decides to play is probably as good as any of your LBs. You're a gluehead!

You have no DB as good as Joe Haden (if he is healthy...which he has not been) Put a fork in him!

Overall, sure, the Steelers have more. But to say that the Steelers are better at every single position than the Browns is as ignorant as ignorant can be.

(and yes, if you take the 3 Bs off Pissburgh and put them on the Browns....the situations are reversed. NOT EVEN CLOSE.....and anyone with a brain would know it.

Of course, as the old adage goes, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. for some reason the Browns are less than the sum of their parts.

Disagree with the entire notion of this thread.. We need talent at nearly all positions. We need an overhaul of the defensive backfield.. I wouldn't be unhappy if we drafted 4. We need one more talented LB. We need 1-2 more DL. We need 1-2 more OL. We need a TE who's as good as average at blocking. And we need a QB.

Culture is simply the byproduct of winning- period. It's not ephemeral.

Talk about Dumb and Dumber! The two of you couldn't fill a thimble full of common sense if you were given a shovel! It's a waste of words on the two of you but what the hell, remove the B's and then compare position by position and the Steelers are still a quality team. There may not be a single position where the Browns would be better.....even without the three B's

But guess what you two geniuses.......The Steelers DO have the three B's

We sucked Dude, but that's about to change.

Pouncy isn't all that. Steelers are a 5-11 team without Ben, Bell and Brown.

But, they drafted them, we didn't.

Looking forward to the upcoming reversal of fortunes, I hope it's a lengthy one.

Z

Looking forward to the upcoming reversal of fortunes, I hope it's a lengthy one.

What the fuck do you know? Every Steeler fan thinks he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night because his team's good. No matter how many games your team wins, you don't get any smarter, numbnuts.

The culture has already changed, no 1-15 team fights until the last snap of every game, this one did.

The talent is coming ... in droves. No team in NFL history has eve had this much draft cache combined with this much free agency wallet room. And we have a GM that trades the shit we were about to cut from that 1-15 team within the division for a 6th round pick

The Browns are on the Jimmy Johnson plan: 1-15, 7-9, Playoffs, Super Bowl. If we get to the playoffs next year with the right moves then, great, we are a year early and we are going to start pounding you pukes with your old QBs and fickle fan bases. Guess who has the oldest and most fickle?

Zombo