"Liking" JG and "rating him higher than any other QB" is different.

I hope he did rate him higher than any other QB. Let him take him SF. That just gives us a better chance at getting Garrett AND a top QB.

Many fans and analysts are quick to point out, "How many other Patriots QB's have gone on to play well?" Here's the thing, it's not exactly apples to oranges, ok? What's the difference? For starters, Garoppolo was drafted in the second round. That's a pretty high pick, and there was more than one OC who had him as their number 1 QB in the DRAFT, one of them being our very own, Shannahan. Sure, it was a late second round pick, but still, what round was Matt Cassell drafted in? Yeah, the seventh. Furthermore, Cassell didn't even START in college. That's right, go back and see how many passes he threw during his college tenure. Now let's look at Brian Hoyer. Actually, let's not. We know his story (ahem..not drafted, right?). Ok, so let's look at Ryan Mallett. He was drafted in the 3rd round, which is very close to where Garoppolo was taken, but that's where the similarities end. Mallett was a big guy with a VERY slow delivery and subpar mobility. The market for Garoppolo is said to be a 1st round pick and possibly a 4th. That might be too high, but that's what we've all heard, right? Anybody here remember what Mallett was traded for? Yeah...I think it was a conditional 7th rounder. Could be wrong, but I don't think I am. By comparison, Garoppolo has solid size, a lightning quick delivery, terrific accuracy, and the ONLY reason the Patriots are even THINKING about trading him, is because they know they can't afford to keep him. In the true Patriot way, they will look to get something for an asset, rather than waiting for the player's contract to expire and get NOTHING when they walk.

To complete my point, our radio show has interviewed multiple analysts and experts, and EACH ONE has said that Jimmy Garoppolo, if he was coming out of school this season, would likely be rated the number one QB entering the draft. Can anybody truthfully say that about Mallett? Hoyer? Cassell? No. So I really don't want to hear anymore about, "The other Patriot QB's didn't do squat when they left!!!" It's NOT the same.

The only proof is what I heard on the radio show (Nathan Zegura), who has said multiple times that the people he interviewed (analysts/writers) said they rated JG higher than any of the incoming draftees. The proof of Shanahan liking JG can be found in multiple articles, including:

https://www.all22.com/cleveland-browns/former-browns-oc-kyle-shanahan-reportedly-liked-jimmy-garoppolo-2014-draft

So do I have "smoking gun proof"? No, of course not. I only have what a respected radio show host said, and I only have multiple articles which stated Shanahan favored JG. My statement is hardly "unsubstantiated proof", and I did not concoct my post out of thin air. If you require additional documentation, I'm sure I can get it.

Is there proof that Shanahan had JG as the number one QB in the draft? All I've seen is speculation that he liked him, that's about it.

Further, can you provide proof of these analysts saying JG is better than every QB in this draft? Because I haven't seen it.

I can make unsubstantiated claims as well. Hue Jackson already bought Mitch Trubisky a new house. Jimmy Haslam's illegitimate son is DeShone Kizer.

If Shanahan had JG as his #1 QB, then it's all but settled - SF will be signing him.

As exciting as Jackson is, I don't think that is in the cards for him.

Josh Rosen is a mega douchebag.

They are saying next years QB draft class is far better than this years ........ who comes out next year ?

They are saying next years QB draft class is far better than this years ........ who comes out next year ?

I agree on a 2nd. We might have to do better than a 6th or 7th. We are going to have 3 compensatory 4th rounders and a compencatory pick in the 5th. We can give some combination.

I like the idea of JG in a trade so we don't have to reach for a QB. Move on from RGIII, have kessler as the back-up and draft a player this year. I like Chad Kelly.

Is there proof that Shanahan had JG as the number one QB in the draft? All I've seen is speculation that he liked him, that's about it.

Further, can you provide proof of these analysts saying JG is better than every QB in this draft? Because I haven't seen it.

I can make unsubstantiated claims as well. Hue Jackson already bought Mitch Trubisky a new house. Jimmy Haslam's illegitimate son is DeShone Kizer.

If Shanahan had JG as his #1 QB, then it's all but settled - SF will be signing him.

Many fans and analysts are quick to point out, "How many other Patriots QB's have gone on to play well?" Here's the thing, it's not exactly apples to oranges, ok? What's the difference? For starters, Garoppolo was drafted in the second round. That's a pretty high pick, and there was more than one OC who had him as their number 1 QB in the DRAFT, one of them being our very own, Shannahan. Sure, it was a late second round pick, but still, what round was Matt Cassell drafted in? Yeah, the seventh. Furthermore, Cassell didn't even START in college. That's right, go back and see how many passes he threw during his college tenure. Now let's look at Brian Hoyer. Actually, let's not. We know his story (ahem..not drafted, right?). Ok, so let's look at Ryan Mallett. He was drafted in the 3rd round, which is very close to where Garoppolo was taken, but that's where the similarities end. Mallett was a big guy with a VERY slow delivery and subpar mobility. The market for Garoppolo is said to be a 1st round pick and possibly a 4th. That might be too high, but that's what we've all heard, right? Anybody here remember what Mallett was traded for? Yeah...I think it was a conditional 7th rounder. Could be wrong, but I don't think I am. By comparison, Garoppolo has solid size, a lightning quick delivery, terrific accuracy, and the ONLY reason the Patriots are even THINKING about trading him, is because they know they can't afford to keep him. In the true Patriot way, they will look to get something for an asset, rather than waiting for the player's contract to expire and get NOTHING when they walk.

To complete my point, our radio show has interviewed multiple analysts and experts, and EACH ONE has said that Jimmy Garoppolo, if he was coming out of school this season, would likely be rated the number one QB entering the draft. Can anybody truthfully say that about Mallett? Hoyer? Cassell? No. So I really don't want to hear anymore about, "The other Patriot QB's didn't do squat when they left!!!" It's NOT the same.

Many fans and analysts are quick to point out, "How many other Patriots QB's have gone on to play well?" Here's the thing, it's not exactly apples to oranges, ok? What's the difference? For starters, Garoppolo was drafted in the second round. That's a pretty high pick, and there was more than one OC who had him as their number 1 QB in the DRAFT, one of them being our very own, Shannahan. Sure, it was a late second round pick, but still, what round was Matt Cassell drafted in? Yeah, the seventh. Furthermore, Cassell didn't even START in college. That's right, go back and see how many passes he threw during his college tenure. Now let's look at Brian Hoyer. Actually, let's not. We know his story (ahem..not drafted, right?). Ok, so let's look at Ryan Mallett. He was drafted in the 3rd round, which is very close to where Garoppolo was taken, but that's where the similarities end. Mallett was a big guy with a VERY slow delivery and subpar mobility. The market for Garoppolo is said to be a 1st round pick and possibly a 4th. That might be too high, but that's what we've all heard, right? Anybody here remember what Mallett was traded for? Yeah...I think it was a conditional 7th rounder. Could be wrong, but I don't think I am. By comparison, Garoppolo has solid size, a lightning quick delivery, terrific accuracy, and the ONLY reason the Patriots are even THINKING about trading him, is because they know they can't afford to keep him. In the true Patriot way, they will look to get something for an asset, rather than waiting for the player's contract to expire and get NOTHING when they walk.

To complete my point, our radio show has interviewed multiple analysts and experts, and EACH ONE has said that Jimmy Garoppolo, if he was coming out of school this season, would likely be rated the number one QB entering the draft. Can anybody truthfully say that about Mallett? Hoyer? Cassell? No. So I really don't want to hear anymore about, "The other Patriot QB's didn't do squat when they left!!!" It's NOT the same.

Hey if we draft Garrett @ #1, I want to see a disruptive force. Von Miller good- that's the standard he's going to be held to. I won't have any problems with that.

Their only "statistical" area of improvement was in the running game(notable, measurable, statistical improvement - not imagined).....with no notable changes in the passing stats for several years...

Already said....and completely ignored.....as usual....

I won't argue that there has been some improvement on their defense. That was not, however their major area of improvement.

They're still in the playoffs with Romo.

Nope.

DAL had LB Sean Lee play at a Pro-Bowl level which they didn't have in 2015 because Lee played 0 games. They also had the top-ranked secondary in 2016, which they didn't have in 2015. Yes they had defensive weakness in the rest of the front7 [thus Jared Cook led GB in targets and receptions and yards..] but the 2015 D was average.

The defensive cohesion shut down teams when the O was misfiring - for example, Dez only had 50 catches. That's not normal..