@ghoolie said:

Dead Wrong. And you know it Ghoolie. You are just being disingenuous and trying to stir up silly ship.

And, haven't you said that you were going to FRAK off to Vegas and become Raider fan? Looks like that is nearer to happening.

@ghoolie said:

Love it.

I do believe you are seeing the End of Days for football in the city of Cleveland. I don't believe it can support a franchise any longer. Haslam is doing what he can to kill the crowds and justify his move.

Now here.. I totally disagree with you.. if the team starts winning.. all of that changes...

@ballpeen said:

You're gay. You live in Naples, Fla

That is just a poke in the ribs my friend.

Cleveland needs a dome.

I would be ashamed of a dome.

Certainly not ashamed to live in Naples.

Zombo

Zombo said:

You're gay. You live in Naples, Fla

That is just a poke in the ribs my friend.

Cleveland needs a dome.

@tour2ma said:

Attending an open-air-stadium game in Houston in August/September's typical 90+ degrees/90+% humidity would be a misery that no amount of fan fervor could overcome.

A meaningful, late-season, out-of-your-seat, intense Browns game with 70,000 allied fans would provide a warmth that CBS attendees have never experienced.

+1

And I voted against the Hexatron Done in 1984.

@tour2ma said:

If the Titans stadium had had a cover like Miami's it would have been much more tolerable. But the sun was beating down on us there. The only respite we had was when an occasional cloud would cover the sun.

I had them kill the A/C on the bus to set the proper tone for the fans. If there were a steel garbage can at the tailgate, I would have kicked it over

Zombo

@hoorta said:

We lucked out in Miami... T-storms everywhere except over the stadium and the new awnings to boot. Game was quite comfortable even without the distraction of being in it the whole way.

The bus to the game? Not so much, thus my switch on the ride back to the bar in a bus with plenty of A/C.

@hoorta said:

I am sure. September in Miami is still sauna bath weather. And no AC on the bus? Whose brilliant idea was that?

@the-gipper said:

Gip, that game was pretty mellow compared to the Tampa game. I'll let Zombo comment on the bus ride in September down to Miami with essentially no air conditioning.

@hoorta said:

When we went to Tennessee this year Larry, that game was too hot for me. That was Mid Oct. in Nashville. The sun was searing hot. It really was not pleasant. Of course, combine that with the Browns performance, and it was just aggravated.

@tour2ma said:

Yup Tour the nastiest game I can remember was watching the Browns play the Buccaneers in Tampa in October. Think it was around 95 in the shade, and unfortunately my seat was in the sun. Just sitting there sweat was pouring off me. Felt sorry for the players, it had to be 100+ on the field.

@tour2ma said:

I thinking there's a difference between "sold out" and every seat being filled...

The NFL has a new definition of what constitutes a "sellout".

@hoorta said:

Wasn't it though? That's probably when I had the most fun playing football was when it was snowing.

....and I'm talking about this past Packer playoff game. I'd heard that they were having trouble getting the game sold out. (perhaps it was 'fake' news)

Packers have no trouble selling out games. They have a season ticket waiting list that is like 100k long.

@tour2ma said:

It has happened a couple of times.

t Cleveland Browns Stadium, Cleveland, Ohio

• Date: December 29, 2002
• Game time: 1:00 p.m. EST
• Game weather: 34°F, relative humidity 85%, round (wind) 6 MPH
• Game attendance: 73,528
• Final score: Browns 24, Atlanta Falcons 16, Victory propels Browns into Wildcard berth.

Plus, it happened twice in 2007. Beat the Bills 8-0 in a snow storm to go to 9-5, and in playoff position. Then beat the 49ers two weeks later 20-7 to go 10-6.

Just two problems here though.....in the middle of these games, the Browns went down to Cinci and cacked up a furball with DA throwing like 4 Ints. to lose 19-14. Then the same day as the 49ers game, the Browns needed the Colts, who had already wrapped up a playoff spot, to beat the Titans or some other team. The Colts decided to sit all their good players, Peyton, Harrison, James. They played their backups and lost by like a field goal, screwing the Browns out of a playoff spot.

But, its true. That was like the last time that feeling was had here.

@wargograw said:

I like games that are impacted by weather.....rain, snow, fog, mud, wind. Much more variability, predictibility. I like it when teams have to adapt their game to the elements.

Its called "Playing Football".

@jcam222 said:

I am in favor of certain people wearing less at a football game.

@orion said:

I'd always been in the "Football is made to be played outside, in the elements" camp.

But as a fan that's getting older...I've had a change of heart.

I had to laugh when Green Bay played their playoff game outside at home....and Houston played at home in a covered stadium.

- I believe the Packers had a tough time selling out the stadium for the game -

They're making playoff games start later and later so that more people in the west coast will watch.

OK, TV doesn't give a rats ass about the players. They're young, running around to keep warm...and making tons of money. But what about the fans? They're not running around and many aren't so young....and they're SPENDING tons of money to be there freezing their asses off. - I swear I've got some frost-bite in my foot from a Houston Oilers / New England Patriots playoff game -

I'm now of the opinion that northern cities should have roofed football stadiums.

That way, perhaps more of their fans would show up even if the team wasn't doing great and were not going to the playoffs. (we're a poster child for that thought)

Perhaps fewer players won't NOT want to play in places like Cleveland....knowing that they at least won't have to PLAY in the harsh weather.

And, of course, the super bowl could be played in Cleveland or Green Bay or New England, etc.

I asked my card playing buddies a couple of weeks ago, "Would you guys go to a cold weather Patriots game any more?"......and they each said, "Fuck that. No, no more of that." - The four of us (and others) have been to MANY a cold weather Pats game.....but we're done.

Call us wimps. Go ahead.