@flugel said:

Certainly Tom. While we had 4 pretty great QBs playing in the Conf. title games, it was the team's that could do the most to frustrate the other team's super QB that took home the prize.

Again, the balance thing. Great QBs and great defenses win championships.

While we remember Brady mostly for beating Seattle in their last Superbowl, NE's defense picking off Russell Wilson at the goal line on 1st and goal at the 1 (with 1 or 2 timeouts remaining for Seattle) sure helped that SB winning % of Brady.

And then the next SB was a 24-10 victory for Denver over Carolina on 1 of the worst years Manning ever had at QB. Pretty cool margin of error knowing all he had to do was score more than 10 points especially when his defense was willing to score at least 1 TD in the process.

@boo-radley said:

You need someone on your end bright enough to understand....where you gonna find him.?

Just curious, is that the Blue deNile or the White deNile that you are swimming in about the Pats cheating?

Better yet....go ahead, take a poll. Ask everyone here if they think, as you do, that the Pats are not cheaters.

@westside-steve said:

Yes, the Pats were hammered by the league and are still highly successful. To me, it shows that they really had no reason to cheat, but yet they did anyway. It evidences a very Nixonian mindset and speaks of their hubris.

@boo-radley said:

Agree. It is futile for you to deny what is undeniable.

@westside-steve said:

FIFY...

Hammered by the league and still...

WSS

@boo-radley said:

The facts are that the Patriots got hammered by the league for multiple acts of cheating. The other owners got tired of it and told the commish to hammer them. (If you don't think that is what happened, then you should take a trip to Lake Victoria, which is the source of De Nile)

But...go ahead Kelly Conway, please feel free to tell what your "Alternate Facts" are.

@boo-radley said:

So, is that a tacit admission that you are still in denial about the reason for the Patriots seemingly harsh punishment? Seems to be.

There is a very easy way to help me, and everyone else on here as well as yourself: Don't be ignorant about things such as this. Have you tried that?

And here is Tour's entire problem with me. I don't fall in line and goosestep to his marching orders about what the Browns should do in the draft. I think Mitch Trubisky (ergo the ski) is the best player the Browns could take in this draft. He does not think that. Because I think differently from him his ovaries apparently get all swollen over it. He is intolerant of nonconforming opinions.

@boo-radley said:

You are missing the point. You may be in denial...but the fact is that the rest of the NFL....owners/GMs etc. and the NFL front office see the Patriots as a cheater organization. Do you think that the million dollar fine, the loss of a first round draft choice and the 4 game suspension of Brady were just because of some deflated balls. Hell no. It was the other 31 owners of the NFL who have their problems with the way the Pats do business, (Not I). As for the east coast bias, that is a tenebrous thing, but the rest of the country feels it and is aware of it.

It is really no sweat off my back. But, if you do want to live in denial about things, and act like a Steeler fan, then expect to be called out over it.

@boo-radley said:

It's your time...

You will enjoy his trivia threads.

@tour2ma said:

The next Substantive thing I learn about football from you will be the first thing. You give your opinions and biases on things....just like the rest of us (those provide no insight). You give links to or copy what others have written, just like the rest of us. (we learn from what those others have done).

The difference is that I don't falsely pretend to be some expert on how the game of football is played, or get all menstrual if you make a mistake of fact about something that is not all that significant, like whether a particular QB started the first game of his rookie season...or not. You know, its really not all that big of a deal.

@the-gipper said:

You sound a Steeler fan.

@boo-radley said:

It does not matter what you want.

Destiny is destiny.

No shit Sherlock. It doesn't matter what you want either.

You sound a Steeler fan.

You say you are a Pats fan? I didn't know that Pats fans were as stupid as Steeler fans.

EVERY motherfucker on the planet thinks, no...knows that the Pats have been cheaters. Only Pats fans are in denial about that.

Congratulations, you have just earned the silver medal in the "Stupid Fans of the NFL" Steeplechase for New England fans. You ran a great anchor leg.

I guess I dont see the bias.

You wouldn't now would you, silver medalist?

If Brady and Belichick were in Cleveland that town would be the center of the NFL universe.

There is the entire thing. I chastised you for being in denial about the Patriots allegations of cheating..and about the denial of the east coast bias . Very Steeler fanish. very Steeler fan like. But, by all means, feel free to take your cues from the pluperfect pedantic pricks around here.

@boo-radley said:

There was, I just can't find it. Others have seen it.

Bottom line: don't be a dumbass

Or...do you actually object to having those boobs staring you in the face?

@boo-radley said:

And that's why you put Gipski on ignore... you can spend hours arguing about meaningless shit without hope of learning a goddamn thing about football.

@boo-radley said:

No, I am the judge, remember? You must convince me. I will be lenient with you however. Rather than proof beyond a reasonable doubt, you will only be required to show clear and convincing proof that you are not going to act like a Steelerfanfag.

(those are two different standards).

The intern/probation officer that I subcontracted from Zombo will have her eyes on you.

@boo-radley said:

Yes, it does. It was an entire thread. If it is that important to find, do so yourself.

Bottom line: do not continue to act like a Steelerfag.

@texasag1969 said:

We will assign one specifically as your probation officer.

(When I first started practicing, the probation officer in the local court was a woman whose....talents...would have fit right in with Zs interns. While she dressed professionally, her up top assets were quite evident. And she was nice looking as well.)

@the-gipper said:

If one of Z's "assistants" is in that may I sign up? They keep diverting my attention that's for sure.

@boo-radley said:

I was looking for it but could not find it. Sorry. But you were acting a lot like a Steelerfanfag.

But, if you wish to make your Mea Culpa, and promise to never again act like a Steelerfanfag, redemption can be yours.

We will place you into a Pre-Trial Diversionary program.

@boo-radley said:

@the-gipper said:

I don't think Sheard is playing now, is he? Did he play yesterday? They got Mingo too.

And FYI....BB was actually fired by Modell AFTER the settlement of the "move" lawsuit. So, technically, he was fired by the Ravens (though the name had not been chosen yet).

Always love to point out Ghoolie's favorite owner will go down in history having fired TWO HOF coaches, and ran a near one (Marty) out of town.