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Tom Pelissero | USA TODAY Sports

5:36 p.m. ET Jan. 26, 2017

MOBILE, Ala. Standing in the press box during practice this week at the Senior Bowl, Phil Savage echoed what a lot of NFL scouts are saying privately about the quarterbacks available in the 2017 draft.

It's probably not a good year to say, Weve got to have one,' " Savage, the Senior Bowl's executive director and former Cleveland Browns general manager, told USA TODAY Sports. You never know, but theres questions with more guys this year.

Others describe the group as somewhere between average and not very good nothing like the deep class of 2016, which saw 15 quarterbacks drafted, including Jared Goff and Carson Wentz, picked first and second overall, respectively, and instant star Dak Prescott in the fourth round.

Theres talent in every draft, and this is no exception. Its still early in the evaluation process, especially for underclassmen. Quarterbacks tend to get pushed up the board because the position is so important. But at a time when so many NFL teams are looking for a starter, theres a strong sense of trepidation about putting any of these guys on the field in the short term.

That none of the quarterbacks who come up as first-round possibilities North Carolinas Mitch Trubisky, Clemsons Deshaun Watson, Notre Dames DeShone Kizer and maybe Texas Techs Patrick Mahomes played in anything resembling a pro-style offense or operated much from under center is certainly a factor. (Thats one reason many teams preferred Wentz to Goff last year.)

It goes beyond that, though.

Conversations with scouts and personnel executives here pegged Trubisky as the top QB entering the draft process. Hes an accurate passer, has the physical tools and figures to put on a show at the scouting combine in March. But some scouts will be reluctant to put a really high grade on a guy who made just 13 college starts, sitting most of his first two years behind a non-prospect, Marquise Williams

Watson has the track record and the makeup. He recovered from a disappointing first half of his junior season in 2016, capping it by wrecking Alabama in the national championship game. His accuracy is a question, though, as is durability given his body type. His mechanics need to be cleaned up. Declining his invite to the Senior Bowl Watson graduated early, making him eligible he passed on a chance to show he can fit and function in a different scheme.

Some scouts draw the line there on first rounders, though Kizer certainly has the arm and athletic skills to join them. He looked like the No. 1 pick in the Irish's opener at Texas, only to end up getting benched along the way to a 4-8 finish. He will face questions about his intangibles, including how badly he wants to be a great player.

Of the next group, Mahomes jumps out because he has loads of talent and improvisational ability. He also played in a one-read-and-go offense, so everyones trying to figure out how it will translate.

None of the quarterbacks invited to the Senior Bowl the traditional six instead of the eight Savage invited last year because that was such a strong class is a lock to go in the first two rounds. Pittsburghs Nate Peterman, who has played in a pro-style offense, may be the best of the bunch.

The outlook on this class may boost the value of young passers who could become available in free agency or trades (Kirk Cousins, Jimmy Garoppolo, Tyrod Taylor, Mike Glennon). A short-term option (Jay Cutler, Tony Romo) also may appeal to a team already eyeing a 2018 draft class that could include the likes of USCs Sam Darnold and UCLAs Josh Rosen.

Bottom line for the 2017 group: If you draft one, you better be prepared to wait and work.

Of course, Prescott he performed well at last years Senior Bowl, as did Wentz is proof that development can accelerate quickly with the right coaches and pieces in place. Even the Dallas Cowboys didnt know what they had when they took Prescott after failed attempts to get into position to select Paxton Lynch and Connor Cook.

Its a work-in-progress quarterback class, Savage said. I think its probably just OK. That doesnt mean that you cant find one.

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@ghoolie said:

Phil Sewage was pure shit. He wasn't just a coffee fetcher for Ozzie, I believe he washed his jockstraps.

Here is what I know. Nothing is more risky in the draft than spending a high pick for the top prospect. Likewise, there is no bigger payoff in the NFL than landing a franchise Quarterback. More great QBs come out of the first round than any other round. #1 #1 is the place to make a play. If you draft anyother bust, then chances are you will again wind up with #1 #1, and again get a chance to swing for the bleachers.

You know, it is no different than being with women. You always wonder why it is the arrogant, cocky fuck (Like me) that winds up with the hottest chicks. It's simple, it is because that's all this type of guy asks out.............the hottest, most well built, boner-inducing bitches in the bar. So, you guys get the plain Jane to go out with you, meanwhile the Ghoolie Guy gets the chick that makes your date shrink into the wall-paper, and you go home to beat your fucking meat.

Since 1999 the Browns have not made a single courageous draft pick. Couch was no risk because the Browns were new. But after that? ALL WALL-FLOWERS

Is this the year to use #1 #1 on a QB? It all depends if you want to go to the prom with Selena Gomez or fucking Joy Behar. The Browns have traded down for Behar, and every year went to the prom with a date that nobody else wanted. I talk about this all the time. Until the Browns franchise has a culture...........something it believes in and sticks with until seeing the payday, this cycle of shit will continue.

Trubisky.

Anything else is following YOUR life choices or asking the wallflowers to the prom.

I am interested in what chicks you would equate our various QBs over the year to.

So, go ahead, what chicks do these QBs remind you of:

Couch

Dilfer

Garcia

Delhomme

Holcomb

Anderson

Quinn

McCoy

Frye

Weeden

Campbell

Manziel

McCown

Griffin (wait...I know: Whoopi Goldberg)

And any others you want.

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@tour2ma said:

First... are you in the habit of taking other people's tests for them?

Second and once again... your logic is bass-ackwards. Drafting QBs high is not causation; it's effect.

Plus don't think I did not see what you did there.... adding the late-firsts and 2nd round picks to pump up your percentage. Who here is arguing about spending our #12 on a QB let alone pick 2.01? To your credit you stuck with the backups forced into starting roles. I free you of that restriction thus letting Tannehill (R1.08) and Carr (R2.04) join the party.

You had three, #1 overall picks, that's 3/12 for those keeping score at home, get in the playoffs... none are left... and all took years to develop.

Top half of the first or better? Brings the running tally to 5/12 thanks to Tannehill... you're welcome...

Though it could stand to be mentioned Ryan was #3 overall, taken behind a DE and OT...neither of which are on the rosters of the teams that drafted them.

Not sure how that fits into your argument because I didn't read it all, but it is an interesting bit nonetheless since that could be foreshadowing the fate of the Chicago Bears in a few years.

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@hoorta said:

How about every one of them? Cook - R4, Osweiler - R2.25, Stafford - R1.01, Wilson - R 3.11, Moore - UDFA , Rothlisbooger - R1.11, Manning - R.01, Rodgers - R1.24. Ryan - R1.03, Brady - R6, Prescott - R4, Smith - R1.01.

Ignoring the injuries, 8\12 drafted in the first or second round. You want long term success? Better draft a QB high. Or if you want to follow the Brady path, keep trading down until you have every pick in the 6th round a couple years running- you're going to hit on one eventually.

First... are you in the habit of taking other people's tests for them?

Second and once again... your logic is bass-ackwards. Drafting QBs high is not causation; it's effect.

Plus don't think I did not see what you did there.... adding the late-firsts and 2nd round picks to pump up your percentage. Who here is arguing about spending our #12 on a QB let alone pick 2.01? To your credit you stuck with the backups forced into starting roles. I free you of that restriction thus letting Tannehill (R1.08) and Carr (R2.04) join the party.

You had three, #1 overall picks, that's 3/12 for those keeping score at home, get in the playoffs... none are left... and all took years to develop.

Top half of the first or better? Brings the running tally to 5/12 thanks to Tannehill... you're welcome...

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/677563https://brownsboard.com/post/677563Sun, 29 Jan 2017 16:45:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is not the year for a #1 Qb pick on Sun, 29 Jan 2017 14:53:06 GMT]]>Cowherd has the best takes on Andrew Luck. Not given near enough credit. Meanwhile, the media fawns all over Cam Newton. Start at 17:00. He does a hilarious bit at 19:10 about "how Colts radio guys SHOULD call Andrew Luck plays."

http://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/media/play/27503347/

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@topdawg31 said:

My son was his teammate in high school dont be an ass

I'm not. But HS measurements are inflated just as much as college ones.

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@ghoolie said:

TD, are you stupid? Don't you understand that the Fake Browns have only been playing since 1999. It is just not the right time yet to use #1 #1 for a QB.

Yes, we all know that the Browns are in the worst shape of all 32 teams at QB, and yes, we know how important the QB is. But you have to look at reality, With Hue and the rest of the cocksuckers we have, it is not as if the 2018, 2019, 2020, etc. Browns are going to be strangers to the #1 #1 pick. Remember also that the Browns have no interest in winning football games. Didn't you get the message? We are building for the future. We are amassing draft picks so that come 2563 the Browns will have 132 #1 #1 picks and will be able to draft everyone. Of course, they will cut the best players and keep the shit ones.

No NFL team needs a QB more than the Browns. No team is in better position to draft a high QB prospect than the Browns. No team is more stupid that the Browns on passing up great future players. We had the #2 and #32 pick over all and look at what we wound up with. SHIT............. PURE SHIT...........

I would not be surprised at all to see these jackoffs draft a DL at #1 #1. they really are that fucking stupid.

And this year's Tony Grossi Award goes to...

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@hoorta said:

Not arguing Tom, I'll be nice. I think it was Tour that posted the draft breakdown on Garrett, and there is reason for concern. Myles is relying on his superior athleticism- it was pointed out if a tackle is fast enough to his hands on him, Garrett had better learn some technique to disengage from a block. Sometimes those physical freaks don't work out. Since my memory is fading- probably due to excessive wine consumption. I had to look it up- Vernon Gholston came to mind. Resorting to Wiki, since 2007 when the Jets drafted Darrell Revis, their first round track record has been as bad as the Browns.

Thanks, I appreciate the kinder, gentler Hoorta. He's a good guy that made some good points above. We're not enemies and never have been. We're just not used to being on different sides of a debate until the last 5 months or so...

For what it's worth, it's okay to disagree about a prospect especially in nit-pick season. This won't be exclusive to fans on message boards. Scouts and front offices do this as well.

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@topdawg31 said:

considering he was 6'3" 195 when he left high school I doubt he shrunk to 6'1"

And I was 6'6", 320 and ran a 4.85 in high school.

It's crazy how everyone is bigger in high school than in college, and how they're bigger in college than the NFL.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/677468https://brownsboard.com/post/677468Sun, 29 Jan 2017 06:04:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is not the year for a #1 Qb pick on Sun, 29 Jan 2017 04:50:11 GMT]]>Kizer Watson and Trubisky are all going in the top of the 1st and mid its not impossible he jumps into the 28-32 range its unlikely of course . and depends on the combine and interviews. but he's been mocked in rounds 2-3 most of the year only falling this past couple of weeks.

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@flugel said:

I'm not in love with what I've seen on film from Garrett; and I'm afraid most of it will get written off to the ankle injury. Just to illustrate how far away from the draft we are, he lasted less than 1 week on my wish list at #1 overall. Not only that, I haven't seen enough of Nate Orchard (IR in 2016) to totally write him off just yet. Hopefully, Gregg Williams will have a better place for him than Horton seemed to envision.

As I just wrote to the other visitor (Gips) I had here in Nashville last October, the only question I have about Trubisky is the body of work (not to be confused with the body of the player). Love the build, arm strength and the elusiveness it equips him with behind a suspect protection upfront. If for some reason he is slightly under 6'2" - Warren Moon was only 6' like Brees while Russell Wilson is 5'11". Another guy that made Pro Bowls for 3 different play off teams (Garcia) was only 6' as well. He'll be ite.

When Oakland drafted Derek Carr near the top of round 2, they protected the investment by improving their offensive line and later adding WR Amari Cooper in round 1 as well as former 1st round WR Michael Crabtree via free agency. They also drafted Khalil Mack in round 1 to improve their edge rush the same year they took Carr in round 2. We could have drafted both guys in that 2014 draft. We can do something similar to what Oakland did, with our choice being edge rusher #1 and QB at #12 vrs QB #1 and edge rusher at #12. Since the draft seems deeper at edge rusher than QB, it encourages me to keep more of an open mind about Trubisky at #1.

Not arguing Tom, I'll be nice. I think it was Tour that posted the draft breakdown on Garrett, and there is reason for concern. Myles is relying on his superior athleticism- it was pointed out if a tackle is fast enough to his hands on him, Garrett had better learn some technique to disengage from a block. Sometimes those physical freaks don't work out. Since my memory is fading- probably due to excessive wine consumption. I had to look it up- Vernon Gholston came to mind. Resorting to Wiki, since 2007 when the Jets drafted Darrell Revis, their first round track record has been as bad as the Browns.

@flugel said:

I suppose it's possible Joe Thomas knows less than football fans... But I'd like to think a Left Tackle protecting the blind side of QB after his 10th consecutive Pro Bowl might know more than some may want to give him credit for. Remember, he's the guy that has had to face many a Pro Bowl edge rusher twice a year from AFC North opponents frequenting playoffs so I'm guessing he understands their value.

I totally respect Joe's opinion- but I sort of disagree. 🙂

@tour2ma said:

Beat me to it... but wait... there's more...

Facts.... facts... facts... didn't you get the latest memo, Mr. buzzkill?

I would not have put the percentage anywhere near that high...

Can you name all four starting QBs? Remember... honor system...

How about every one of them? Cook, Osweiler. Stafford, Wilson. Moore, Rothlisbooger. Manning, Rodgers. Ryan, Brady. Prescott, Smith. Ignoring the injuries, 8\12 drafted in the first or second round. You want long term success? Better draft a QB high. Or if you want to follow the Brady path, keep trading down until you have every pick in the 6th round a couple years running- you're going to hit on one eventually.

@cainedesoulis said:

I'm just hoping we can land Webb at some point in this draft he could sneak into the first round.

From the other thread, I know you like the guy- but if you read Cal's post on his weaknesses, have to ask- what are you smoking? How about the Washington path- draft Trubisky #1, and Webb in the 4th round. 🙂

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@wargograw said:

According to who?

My son was his teammate in high school dont be an ass

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@topdawg31 said:

considering he was 6'3" 195 when he left high school I doubt he shrunk to 6'1"

And he likely ran a 4.45 40 as well-the usual recruit inflation factor.

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@topdawg31 said:

considering he was 6'3" 195 when he left high school I doubt he shrunk to 6'1"

According to who?

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@hoorta said:

I've said I'm not averse to Garret @ #1, though I won't love it. Regarding Mitch coming in "undersized" at the combine- where's that coming from? Reference please? All I've heard is vague reference to a Tweet, which is complete BS, unless he was in the NC locker room when he got measured. 6' 1" may be a tad undersized if it's true, but hardly a disqualifier.

considering he was 6'3" 195 when he left high school I doubt he shrunk to 6'1"

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/677414https://brownsboard.com/post/677414Sat, 28 Jan 2017 21:32:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to This is not the year for a #1 Qb pick on Sat, 28 Jan 2017 21:25:08 GMT]]>Certainly there's no QB in this draft worth the #1 pick, and maybe #12 is forcing it as well. If they don't go with Myles with the first pick, we'll be hearing all of the fans saying the Browns blew it again. With a dwindling fan base, they cannot afford to screw up again.

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Take an Elite player like Allen or Garrett. Take Hooker, Foster, or anyone who falls at us at 12....

MY biggest fear is that we take watson at #1 since hue really likes him..........

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@mudfly said:

Not necessarily... Every few....to be exact....

5 times in the last 15 drafts there have been zero franchise qb's....which is once every 3 drafts.....33%.....once every few....

Facts.... facts... facts... didn't you get the latest memo, Mr. buzzkill?

I would not have put the percentage anywhere near that high...

@topdawg31 said:

If we don't take Trubisky #1 overall, we will regret it. We didn't tank this season to draft a DL #1. The common denominator on all final 4 teams is a great QB. I cant name one DL on any of the final 4 teams.

Can you name all four starting QBs? Remember... honor system...

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@topdawg31 said:

We did not tank for a DL best QB available has been the plan all along.

The only reason we tanked is because the team sucked.....it was not the plan....

Hence, all the changes that are happening now(which dont happen when you are successful in executing your plan)....

No one plans to tank for an "unknown yet to be named player"....which is what you're kind of suggesting happened.....

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@topdawg31 said:

If we don't take Trubisky #1 overall, we will regret it. We didn't tank this season to draft a DL #1. The common denominator on all final 4 teams is a great QB. I cant name one DL on any of the final 4 teams. Stop with the only one season of play BS, it's not his fault that Marquise was lights out playing QB for UNC until he graduated. If MT played a few more seasons he would have been hands down consensus #1 overall pick. I base this opinion on watching this kid grow up from the time he was 6yrs old. He will become the next best QB in the NFL, not his rookie year but in the future. If it happens on someone else's team, I'll be sick. If we pass on MT watch the stoolers jump up and take him #2 then we will live in football misery for another decade.

We did not tank for a DL best QB available has been the plan all along.

I suppose it's possible Joe Thomas knows less than football fans... But I'd like to think a Left Tackle protecting the blind side of QB after his 10th consecutive Pro Bowl might know more than some may want to give him credit for. Remember, he's the guy that has had to face many a Pro Bowl edge rusher twice a year from AFC North opponents frequenting playoffs so I'm guessing he understands their value.

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We did not tank for a DL best QB available has been the plan all along.

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@boo-radley said:

There must be a franchise QB in this draft that people are over looking.

Not necessarily...

@tour2ma said:

Few drafts go by without at least one emerging.

Every few....to be exact....

5 times in the last 15 drafts there have been zero franchise qb's....which is once every 3 drafts.....33%.....once every few....

2013-10-7-6-2.....plus a few years where the franchise QB might be considered questionable......2011-5-3....

Based on the above....Id say we are due to have a no franchise draft.....

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@boo-radley said:

I dont know what you guys think, but I am not impressed with Andy Luck. True, he had a tough act to follow, but he hasnt lived up to the hype.

I've been thinking on and off about Luck for a while now. Here's my take...

I think Luck did live up to the hype as a rookie. Even seen as the prospect of the decade, he really took the league by storm as a rookie. There was always that proviso tagged on... "as a rookie." As in, "Sure he threw 18 INTs, but he was a rookie and led his team to 11 wins."

And in year 2 he improved cutting his INTs in half while increasing both his completion rate and his TD count. The wins did not rise, but "that was the team letting him down. They were not as explosive as they've been."

Year 3 brought his TD explosion in a third 11-win season. "Sure his INTs popped as well, but he was carrying the team."

Year 4? Injury limits him to 7 games, but when he played it was a total regression to his rookie stats... "but the team sucked."

5? Recovery... but still not back to his peak, 3rd season showing... "but the team still sucks."

Bottom line:

Luck regressed... for whatever reasons, he regressed. And he came out as the prospect who was going to, and early on did, improve year after year after year... until he did not.

So I think he did satisfy "the hype(d)" up expectations initially. He simply has not followed through and sustained let alone continued to raise his own "bar" five years running.

I'd still take him... 😉

@cainedesoulis said:

I think the browns are going to try and do what they can to fix the QB spot but they are not going to force it.

And that is the key...

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@flugel said:

When Cardale Jones was only 3 starts old - he looked a lot more intriguing for NFL teams than he did when he played his way back into a backup role the next season. The "Fail for Cardale" parade never reached the 2nd block.

I've watched a lot of film of Garrett in the last week and I'm not joining the hype. Yes, when he's not being blocked - he can close on a QB or make TFLs for a loss in a hurry. And he'll test like Courtney Brown and Mike Mamula at the Underwear Olympics in Indy. In the NFL, he'll face Left Tackles and get chipped constantly. War is a huge Aggies fan that recently posted he'd like us to draft Foster 1st.

Allen isn't as "Big Sexy" with the sacks in an unselfish role in team defense on one of the highest rated defenses ever in college football.

First... thank God Shotgun did not declare a year earlier as he should have. Had he "Fail for Cardale" chants would still be echoing around Public Square...

We are very close on Trubs... see the tools; question the resume.

I do still agree that Allen is the safer, the higher floor pick, but I am evermore drawn to Garrett's ceiling. I am very curious to see what his bench rep count is at the "Underwear Olympics" (I loved that one...) to see what arm strength level he has been operating at. I feel I already know his lower body is of no concern.

Like you, I suspect, I am not seeing a great deal of PassRush tech displayed, or at least not a wide variety of moves, but I see tech continually in his RunD. Where you see him "tied up", I often see him stacking the OT honoring run first. I discussed the assignment aspect of my view with a couple of our resident Ags back in season. Much as you describe Allen's unselfish play, I saw (see) the same in Myles' tape... him filling assignments and not free-lancing. Could he shed his stacks better? Yes... thus my upper body strength question.

If he posts 25+ reps, my concern will grow. If he posts 20 or less, not so much as he has a "can add mass" look. Pass rush tech? Would love to see even more than I have, but as is often the case with superior athletes, and that Myles is one is undeniable, they tend to rely on their superiority. But he already has the most difficult tech in his arsenal: the speed-rush's, deep-dip when turning the corner... and I have seen it start with a quick rip to keep the OT's outside arm up and away from him.

One thing we all have to bear in mind when evaluating, and perhaps drafting, an Edge rusher is that even the best fail to deliver far more than they succeed. And I am including hurries in that generalized tally.

As for his getting chipped... while I agree it will happen, I do not see that as a negative. If teams have to game plan help for who should be their best PassPro OL, then that's a win before we take the field. Just as it is for HOU when Watt plays... or DNV for Miller... or...

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