<![CDATA[Analysis of the Hybrid LB/SS Role in Gregg Williams' D...]]>Late January article that may have been posted earlier, but it's a nice read.

http://www.scout.com/nfl/browns/story/1749375-x-s-o-s-the-hybrid-defender

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@unsympathetic said:

Great quote from the article: "The Browns already have two quality, versatile linebackers in Jamie Collins and Christian Kirksey."

It's so good they posted it twice.

This article points out that Williams will not use 3 pure LB -- so our prior discussions about [remotely plausible] draft targets are incorrect because we already have our LB starters.

Schobert/orchard/johnson seem fine for depth/spot starter.. Davis is not because he can't cover in space and should be a candidate for cut/trade.

Well....again, it is said that Collins best spot is a ILB. This would be fine in a 3-4. But with perhaps the Browns running a base 4-3 an with the talent on the Browns he has to slide out to one of the OLB spots.

I am of the opinion that the Browns are deficient at the OLB spots. Schobert is a starter. I think we can us an upgrade.

Orchard should be in there....but he has not proven to be anything but backup depth.

I still think a killer pure OLB may be a high draft target....more so than DE.

And I also think with the base 4-3 that a DT may be a high draft target...more so than a DE.

So... it is possible that Allen may be more in play at #1 than people think.

Or Caleb Brantly or Carlos Watkins in round 2.

Or in that 2d round you could see a former Schobert teammate take over for him: TJ Watt. (or the likes of McKinley/Tim Williams/Reddick/Cunningham

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/686906https://brownsboard.com/post/686906Tue, 28 Feb 2017 15:39:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Analysis of the Hybrid LB/SS Role in Gregg Williams' D... on Tue, 28 Feb 2017 15:30:10 GMT]]>Great quote from the article: "The Browns already have two quality, versatile linebackers in Jamie Collins and Christian Kirksey."

It's so good they posted it twice.

This article points out that Williams will not use 3 pure LB -- so any prior discussion about [remotely plausible] draft targets that included LB Foster are not really accurate because we already have our LB starters.

Schobert/orchard/johnson seem fine for depth/spot starter.. Davis is not because he can't cover in space and should be a candidate for cut/trade.

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@tiamat63 said:

Great question. I remember advocating for him a few years back on another board as a mid round target.

He had a career 2016 and I'd be VERY interested in taking a look at what his market value is. While I might love the thought of having some home grown boys on the roster, Jefferson brings the ability to supplant Tyvis AND

play a more traditional back hash role as well.

Looks like he is and maybe a cheap get at a couple million per.

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@baconhound said:

Tony Jefferson still a free agent?

Great question. I remember advocating for him a few years back on another board as a mid round target.

He had a career 2016 and I'd be VERY interested in taking a look at what his market value is. While I might love the thought of having some home grown boys on the roster, Jefferson brings the ability to supplant Tyvis AND

play a more traditional back hash role as well.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/686324https://brownsboard.com/post/686324Sat, 25 Feb 2017 21:12:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Analysis of the Hybrid LB/SS Role in Gregg Williams' D... on Sat, 25 Feb 2017 21:01:29 GMT]]>Tony Jefferson still a free agent?

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@mld-woody said:

Won't even complain at this point. I've said my piece, I leave it to the front office to assure, or destroy, their job security.

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@tiamat63 said:

Just being stupid about it. Hard to translate the light hearted nature over text.

Amen.

In mock draft news, CBS Sports mocked Peppers to us at 12.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2017-nfl-mock-draft-why-christian-mccaffrey-makes-sense-for-the-patriots/

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@mld-woody said:

Then you should get your vision checked too lol

Just being stupid about it. Hard to translate the light hearted nature over text.

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@mld-woody said:

I think he provides more long term value / potential on defense than offense.

I fully agree

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@tiamat63 said:

I see we're in a mood tonight...

Then you should get your vision checked too lol

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@mld-woody said:

I don't believe thinking you're an NFL Scout makes you one.

I see we're in a mood tonight...

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@clevfan4life said:

Meh. He puts 5-10 lbs on and keeps his speed.....ridiculous

I think he provides more long term value / potential on defense than offense.

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@tiamat63 said:

Sure that wasn't me?

I don't believe thinking you're an NFL Scout makes you one.

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@mld-woody said:

I read a quote by some anonymous scout that thinks he'd be better on offense.

Sure that wasn't me?

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@mld-woody said:

I read a quote by some anonymous scout that thinks he'd be better on offense.

Meh. He puts 5-10 lbs on and keeps his speed.....ridiculous

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/685507https://brownsboard.com/post/685507Wed, 22 Feb 2017 21:30:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Analysis of the Hybrid LB/SS Role in Gregg Williams' D... on Wed, 22 Feb 2017 21:17:14 GMT]]>And maybe for a 5th round flyer this guy:

Josh Harvey-Clemons

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/josh-harvey-clemons?id=2557880

6'5 228

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/685503https://brownsboard.com/post/685503Wed, 22 Feb 2017 21:17:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Analysis of the Hybrid LB/SS Role in Gregg Williams' D... on Wed, 22 Feb 2017 21:12:10 GMT]]>Well, this guy may be better suited to the "hybrid" spot:

Obi Melifonwu

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/obi-melifonwu?id=2558189

6'4 219. Compared to 6'0 205 for Peppers

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/685498https://brownsboard.com/post/685498Wed, 22 Feb 2017 21:12:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Analysis of the Hybrid LB/SS Role in Gregg Williams' D... on Wed, 22 Feb 2017 21:05:19 GMT]]>I read a quote by some anonymous scout that thinks he'd be better on offense.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/685492https://brownsboard.com/post/685492Wed, 22 Feb 2017 21:05:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Analysis of the Hybrid LB/SS Role in Gregg Williams' D... on Wed, 22 Feb 2017 20:37:59 GMT]]>Peppers is a ball killer why would we use him on offense much? He's a guided cruise missile

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/685476https://brownsboard.com/post/685476Wed, 22 Feb 2017 20:37:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Analysis of the Hybrid LB/SS Role in Gregg Williams' D... on Wed, 22 Feb 2017 20:23:34 GMT]]>We'll have to see how he's used. The DC gets credit both ways as well. That is especially true in this case. That's the point I'm trying to get across. This is a player who's unique skill-set can best be utilized by a creative, good DC. It will mostly be on Peppers, but the DC and scheme is especially important in his case

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@mld-woody said:

I'm not making excuse Gipper, I'm stating facts. I'm not sure how I can be more clear. Others in this thread seem to get what I was saying so that's good enough for me.

Then...when and if he sucks I will expect you to admit that it is primarily his own doing.

And when and if he succeeds you can also say that it was primarily his own doing.

Not the DCs either way.

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@mld-woody said:

Tour, I've heard the honey badger comparisons as well. Same idea, but some differences. Peppers is bigger and can hold up in the box better, but Tyrann is better in coverage

Agree... Mathieu is undersized for the role and it has taken its toll on him.

As for Peppers... I just can't wrap my arms around him. I have a nagging inkling he's another Devin Hester, who for all his physical talent never developed coverage skills. But whose return skills kept him around until someone in CHI figured out trying him as a full-time WR.

I've wondered if Peppers isn't ultimately destined for RB. I've read one article projecting that future for him.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/685464https://brownsboard.com/post/685464Wed, 22 Feb 2017 20:42:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Analysis of the Hybrid LB/SS Role in Gregg Williams' D... on Wed, 22 Feb 2017 19:33:07 GMT]]>Tour, I've heard the honey badger comparisons as well. Same idea, but some differences. Peppers is bigger and can hold up in the box better, but Tyrann is better in coverage

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/685457https://brownsboard.com/post/685457Wed, 22 Feb 2017 19:33:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Analysis of the Hybrid LB/SS Role in Gregg Williams' D... on Wed, 22 Feb 2017 19:30:41 GMT]]>I'm not making excuse Gipper, I'm stating facts. I'm not sure how I can be more clear. Others in this thread seem to get what I was saying so that's good enough for me.

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