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<p>This won't really tell us anything we don't already know; but I found it a good read for 1 reason.  If Trubisky's biggest problem is starting experience - NFL OCs and QB Coaches aren't very excited about QBs coming out of spread offenses anyway.  Point?  There could be a lot less of the bad things/habits from the spread to deprogram with Trubisky. Not only that, some of his biggest competition are coming out of spread offenses anyway.  Having said all that, here's a few QBs that came out of spread offenses over the years: Roger Staubach, Donovan McNabb, Brett Favre, Joe Montana, Dak Prescott, Steve McNair, Cam Newton. Anyway, here's the article by Dennis Dobbs:</p>

<p><strong>QB Mitch Trubisky's lack of experience presents dilemma at top of 2017 NFL Draft North Carolina's signal caller may be the first quarterback drafted despite not having taken many snaps.</strong></p>
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<p>Please don’t blame Mitch Trubisky. It’s not the North Carolina signal caller’s fault that he’s the least-experienced top-of-the-draft quarterback in recent memory. It was the <a href="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl" title="External link" rel="external nofollow">NFL</a> that shot him back a first-round draft projection after all of 13 career starts. It was Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck -- two legends who each stayed in school four years -- who counseled him.</p>
<p>Trubisky decided to come out after his junior season.</p>

<p>It’s not Trubisky’s fault he is part of what is considered an average quarterback draft. Try to forget the ACC’s <em>third</em>-team quarterback is causing part of this stir. Some team is going to make a kid from a top-five basketball school the face of its NFL program. “It flies against everything that we’ve experienced,” NFL personnel guru Gil Brandt said.  Actually, the experience is just beginning Tuesday at the NFL combine. Scouts and GMs and coaches can’t wait to wrap their minds and stopwatches around Trubisky. Too soon for … <em>everything</em>?</p>
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<p>“I think he struggled with the decision [to come out],” UNC coach Larry Fedora said, “because in his heart he needed to come back and get a year of experience as a starter. …“The track record of guys is the fewer games they start, the fewer games they last.”And that’s from the man who told Trubisky, “He wasn’t going to disappoint me either way.”</p>

<p>This could be a one off or a whole new draft world. If you’re thinking traditional football brand, North Carolina has had exactly one quarterback drafted in the past 42 years (T.J. Yates, fifth round, 2011).But in some order, Clemson’s Deshaun Watson and Trubisky are widely considered the top two quarterbacks in the draft. CBS Sports’ Rob Rang has both in the <a href="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft/expert/rob-rang" title="External link" rel="external nofollow">top 10 of his latest mock draft</a>. </p>

<p>The NFL craves certainty. Watson has his flaws, but he also has his snaps -- an NCAA-leading 744 plays in 2016 alone -- plus two ACC titles, a national championship and a reputation as an Alabama killer.Trubisky? UNC went 8-5 with him throwing for 3,748 yards and 30 touchdowns. He finished in the top 11 nationally in accuracy, yards and passer rating. Fedora says his guy can make every throw. Rang says Trubisky has “great pocket movement.” “Look at the rest of the quarterbacks in the draft right now. They’re all going to require time,” Rang added.</p>
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<p>There is not much of a template for taking this leap. The average number of college starts for the top three quarterbacks taken the past five seasons is 32. Included in that list are three Heisman Trophy winners (Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Johnny Manziel) as well as the likes of Garrett Grayson (Colorado State) and Mike Glennon (NC State).</p>

<p>When it comes to experience, there are few comps for a quarterback rated this high in the draft. Cam Newton had only 14 career starts at Auburn after winning a national championship as a starter in junior college. But he was also the game’s best player (2010 Heisman) and No. 1 overall pick in 2011. Carson Wentz last year came from FCS North Dakota State. But even through injuries, Wentz arrived with the Eagles having started 22 games (winning 19). Miami’s Ryan Tannehill switched from receiver to quarterback during his junior year at Texas A&amp;M. He still made 19 career starts. A better comparison might be Denver’s Trevor Siemian, who came to the NFL starting only 14 of 44 games at Northwestern.  Except that Siemian was a seventh-round pick, not a potential franchise cornerstone.</p>

<p>None of it compares to this draft stew created by an average quarterback class and the NFL mindset itself. Any general manager knows the blowback from <em>not</em> taking the Trubisky who blows up could be worse than taking the Trubisky who tanks. “This may turn out to be as good as any,” Brandt said, “or it might be everybody saying, ‘That was the worst quarterback draft ever.’”</p>
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<span>Despite his skill set, Mitch Trubisky is a bit of a conundrum for some teams.</span>Trubisky grew up in Mentor, Ohio, about 30 minutes from Cleveland. Jim Tressel’s dad used to coach at Mentor High. Trubisky was bound to be a Buckeye, until Ohio State plucked J.T. Barrett out of Wichita Falls, Texas.<br /><div> </div>
<p>Trubisky then patiently waited behind Marquis Williams at North Carolina for two seasons. Even last season, he was easy to overlook. Trubisky played in a conference with a national champion (Watson) and the Heisman winner (Louisville’s Lamar Jackson). “He was asked to make multiple reads,” Rang said. “He was asked to throw it all over the field. Usually for a young quarterback with a lack of experience, usually they get the deer-in-the-headlights look.”</p>

<p>This just might be where the ABA was 40 years ago and what the <a href="http://www.cbssports.com/nba" title="External link" rel="external nofollow">NBA</a> has become -- drafting prospects “on the come.” That is, taking guys before they’re ready in the hope they ripen into consistent contributors as pros. There’s a 6-foot-4 eighth-grade quarterback out there named <a href="http://247sports.com/Player/Aaron-Mclaughlin-67159" title="External link" rel="external nofollow">Aaron McLaughlin</a> who has multiple offers from around the country. The combination of the position, its importance and breathless talent evaluators has brought us to this moment.</p>

<p>Jared Goff -- No. 1 overall in 2016 -- was the first Cal quarterback drafted since Aaron Rodgers in 2005. Wentz from a <span> <a href="http://www.cbssports.com/" title="External link" rel="external nofollow">skinny high school player shooting coyotes in his spare time</a> </span> to the No. 2 quarterback taken. “The spread offense has leveled the playing field a little bit,” Rang said. “Teams are able to put up a lot of points and don’t have to have the five-star quarterback.” But that doesn’t explain Mike Leach, who hasn’t had one of his Air Raid quarterbacks stick for long in the NFL. By extension, that puts Texas Tech’s Patrick Mahomes on the clock. Red Raiders coach Kliff Kingsbury played for Leach and runs a similar version of the Air Raid. Notre Dame’s Brian Kelly has produced one NFL quarterback (Tony Pike, Cincinnati) in a career that has spanned a quarter century.That could change with Deshone Kizer. Or not. “It’s a lean year,” Rang said.</p>

<p>“I kind of like the Clemson quarterback myself,” Brandt said. “We try to find out what we can find out wrong with a guy instead of saying, ‘This is a guy who played pretty good against top teams.’”</p>

<p>Suddenly, then, 13 career starts don’t look so lean. “I feel fairly confident he can be a future franchise quarterback [but] that’s the question,” Rang said of Trubisky. “The NFL is such a what-can-you-do-for-me-right-now business. Fedora took advantage of his relationship with Archie Manning to get to Peyton. Fedora had recruited Luck. Both quarterbacks agreed to speak to Trubisky.</p>
<p>Peyton Manning had stayed all four years at Tennessee. Luck was a redshirt junior when he left for the NFL after the 2011 season. Their discussions remain a secret. “They went beyond the call of duty in helping him,” Fedora said. “That was very beneficial for him. “I can tell you this: Mitch had a notebook. He had pages upon pages of notes he kept from each of them.”</p>

<p>This is the time of year, though, when the Underwear Olympics (aka the NFL combine) matter more than anything. NFL types want to see if Trubisky is indeed 6-feet-3, as advertised. They want to see that arm strength, that accuracy (almost 70 percent the past two seasons). They want to know if he is more overachiever like Dak Prescott, who stayed five years at Mississippi State, or a really quick learner. “That’s like a guy being in third grade … saying he really understands defenses,” Brandt said. “All the sudden the next move is to MIT as a graduate student.” Whatever you do, don’t blame Mitch Trubisky. “When we came down to it,” Fedora reminded, “his grade came back as a first rounder.”</p>
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<p>WSS </p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/691986</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/691986</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Westside Steve]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:30:35 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:33:49 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/tim-couch-pulls-out" aria-label="Profile: tim-couch-pulls-out">@<bdi>tim-couch-pulls-out</bdi></a> <a href="/post/691775">said</a>:</p><div><p>Dude has no reason to ever say anything bad about the participants on his show.</p></div></blockquote>

<p>Jon did come perilously close to not being able to find anything good to say about a couple prospects in the past couple years. The strain was palpable.</p>

<p>Can't remember who they were tho... Mettenberger maybe? Wheezy?</p>

<p><a href="http://www.tv.com/shows/grudens-qb-camp/episodes/" rel="external nofollow">http://www.tv.com/shows/grudens-qb-camp/episodes/</a></p>

<p>I'd forgotten he's had non-QBs come to "camp" in past years.</p>

<p>Here are this year's invitees: <span>DeShone Kizer</span>, <span>Mitch Trubisky</span>, Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes, Nathan Peterman, Joshua Dobbs and Brad Kaaya</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/691911</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/691911</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tour2ma]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:33:49 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Tue, 14 Mar 2017 16:53:22 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/choco" aria-label="Profile: choco">@<bdi>choco</bdi></a> <a href="/post/691865">said</a>:</p><div><p>and, that's why I made the post. Cause his opinion means nada</p></div></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#800000">No one's does....except for guys named Sashi, Hue, and Jimmy.  (and maybe Andrew...and some unknown scouts)</span></p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/691891</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/691891</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[The Gipper]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2017 16:53:22 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:53:24 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/tim-couch-pulls-out" aria-label="Profile: tim-couch-pulls-out">@<bdi>tim-couch-pulls-out</bdi></a> <a href="/post/691775">said</a>:</p>


<p>He's not a scout. He gets paid for ratings.</p>

<p>His QB camp is meant to get clicks and views. It's not supposed to be a scouting tool by any means. Dude has no reason to ever say anything bad about the participants on his show.</p>
</blockquote> and, that's why I made the post. Cause his opinion means nada]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/691865</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/691865</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[choco]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:53:24 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:40:42 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>There was another interview with him yesterday, reported by Tony Rizzo, which was apparently very positive. It was not the Gruden thing..but some other ESPN person.</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/691819</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/691819</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[The Gipper]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:40:42 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:23:29 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/tim-couch-pulls-out" aria-label="Profile: tim-couch-pulls-out">@<bdi>tim-couch-pulls-out</bdi></a> <a href="/post/691775">said</a>:</p><div>


<p>He's not a scout. He gets paid for ratings.</p>

<p>His QB camp is meant to get clicks and views. It's not supposed to be a scouting tool by any means. Dude has no reason to ever say anything bad about the participants on his show.</p>
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<p>He's an entertainer and no agent sends their player to him if he is anything other than positive about everyone he has on. Now mooch tried to do that with Tribbles, but his non-verbal pauses said a lot more during the play reproduction.</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/691807</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/691807</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[TexasAg1969]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:23:29 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Tue, 14 Mar 2017 13:38:08 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/choco" aria-label="Profile: choco">@<bdi>choco</bdi></a> <a href="/post/691772">said</a>:</p><div>
<p>Someone wanna post what gruden said about johnny?</p>

<p>Lmao...</p>
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<p>He's not a scout. He gets paid for ratings.</p>

<p>His QB camp is meant to get clicks and views. It's not supposed to be a scouting tool by any means. Dude has no reason to ever say anything bad about the participants on his show.</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/691775</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/691775</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Couch Pulls Out]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2017 13:38:08 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Tue, 14 Mar 2017 13:30:13 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Someone wanna post what gruden said about johnny? </p>

<p>Lmao...</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/691772</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/691772</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[choco]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2017 13:30:13 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Tue, 14 Mar 2017 03:28:34 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Well.... Trubell has cleared a <span style="color:#ffa07a">major hurdle</span>... Gruden likes him... and MKC is making sure we know it!<br /><br /></p>
<p><em><strong>Jon Gruden believes Mitchell Trubisky can handle Browns' hometown pressure and 'he'll be a real steal for somebody'</strong></em></p>
<p><em>By <a href="http://connect.cleveland.com/staff/mcabot/posts.html" rel="external nofollow"> Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com </a></em></p>

<p><em><a href="http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/jon_gruden_believes_mitch_trub.html" rel="external nofollow">http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/jon_gruden_believes_mitch_trub.html</a></em></p>


<p>"Trubell"... with that as his nickname he's have a natural endorsement if he played in Texas...</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/691742</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/691742</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tour2ma]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2017 03:28:34 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:53:31 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Timing, anticipation and release time all can compensate for velocity... but there is a lower limit.</p>

<p>And the velocity issue is a wind issue as well.</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/691034</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/691034</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tour2ma]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:53:31 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Sat, 11 Mar 2017 16:17:52 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>I would expect timing to be much more critical than velocity.......as long as it arrives at the right moment.....</p>

<p>Good anticipation and vision probably makes up for a few mph of zip....</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/690982</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/690982</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Mudfly]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2017 16:17:52 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Sat, 11 Mar 2017 16:17:52 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/hoorta" aria-label="Profile: hoorta">@<bdi>hoorta</bdi></a> <a href="/post/690973">said</a>:</p><div><p>Gip, at the top of the spreadsheet there's years 2017 - 2008. Just click on the year, and the data will show up.</p></div></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#800000">I see it now.  Thanks  </span></p>

<p><span style="color:#800000"> (first note:  according to that Dak Prescott failed the velocity test)</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800000">2d note:  Mike Glennon also had only a 49 mph velocity.!!!</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800000">3rd note..Nick Foles has HUGE monster hands...almost an inch bigger than anyone else.  If his member matched his hand size he could go into porn.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800000">Same with Ryan Mallet.  We know hand size has little to do with brain size then.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800000">Tyrod Taylor only had a 50 mph velocity......can he be considered a successful NFL QB?</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800000">For a short as he is, Russell Wilson had big hands...10.25</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800000">AJ McCarron also deficient in velocity....only a 49.</span></p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/690981</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/690981</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[The Gipper]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2017 16:17:52 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Sat, 11 Mar 2017 16:02:55 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/the-gipper" aria-label="Profile: the-gipper">@<bdi>the-gipper</bdi></a> <a href="/post/690934">said</a>:</p>
<p><span style="color:#800000">Interesting.  I really wonder how much of a factor such a thing can be.  While a team can overlook certain below average matters:  height/weight/hand size.....can velocity that low be overlooked?   Will he have a Pro day in which to prove he can do better.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800000">Also....did you say you had a link to some historical numbers on velocity?   I would like to see some of that historical data.</span></p>
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<p>Gip, at the top of the spreadsheet there's years 2017 - 2008. Just click on the year, and the data will show up.</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/690973</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/690973</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[hoorta]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2017 16:02:55 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Sat, 11 Mar 2017 15:09:32 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/hoorta" aria-label="Profile: hoorta">@<bdi>hoorta</bdi></a> <a href="/post/690835">said</a>:</p><div>
<p>Didn't know where to put this info, so here goes a bump.. No surprise about Mahomes. Tied the record.   Doesn't mean much- clay pigeon bustin' Brandon Weeden tossed the rock @ 59 mph. Though having a rocket arm doesn't always translate to NFL success, Not being able to toss it 55 mph is near certain doom. Looking at the spreadsheet below, only two starting qb since 2008 (Tyrod Taylor Dak Prescott- both were injured) failed to make that threshold.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/3/10/14890754/cleveland-browns-2017-nfl-scouting-combine-qb-velocity" rel="external nofollow">http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/3/10/14890754/cleveland-browns-2017-nfl-scouting-combine-qb-velocity</a></p>

<p>and if you miss clicking on the link in the above article, an interesting spreadsheet.  BTW, it goes back several years if you want to take a stroll down Memory Lane to see just how many of those QBs have flopped. If you have lame arm velocity (Gasp Watson!!) You're odds of making it in the NFL go way down. Looking at the data our departed noodle arm backup Connor Shaw tossed it a smidge faster than Watson. <img src="https://brownsboard.com/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f642.png?v=2bfc1e47258" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--slightly_smiling_face" title=":slightly_smiling_face:" alt="🙂" /></p>

<p><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_-SienfT3umX0HKxRyQqyXM9BqHrotdcQA6W-V_pDiY/htmlview?usp=drive_web&amp;usp=sheets_home&amp;ths=true&amp;sle=true#" rel="external nofollow">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_-SienfT3umX0HKxRyQqyXM9BqHrotdcQA6W-V_pDiY/htmlview?usp=drive_web&amp;usp=sheets_home&amp;ths=true&amp;sle=true#</a></p>
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<p><span style="color:#800000">Interesting.  I really wonder how much of a factor such a thing can be.  While a team can overlook certain below average matters:  height/weight/hand size.....can velocity that low be overlooked?   Will he have a Pro day in which to prove he can do better.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800000">Also....did you say you had a link to some historical numbers on velocity?   I would like to see some of that historical data.</span></p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/690934</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/690934</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[The Gipper]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2017 15:09:32 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Sat, 11 Mar 2017 08:29:07 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>49mph wow. That's him off my board completely tbh. </p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/690843</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/690843</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[LondonBrown]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2017 08:29:07 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Sat, 11 Mar 2017 06:27:04 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Didn't know where to put this info, so here goes a bump.. No surprise about Mahomes. Tied the record.   Doesn't mean much- clay pigeon bustin' Brandon Weeden tossed the rock @ 59 mph. Though having a rocket arm doesn't always translate to NFL success, Not being able to toss it 55 mph is near certain doom. Looking at the spreadsheet below, only two starting qb since 2008 (Tyrod Taylor Dak Prescott- both were injured) failed to make that threshold.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/3/10/14890754/cleveland-browns-2017-nfl-scouting-combine-qb-velocity" rel="external nofollow">http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/3/10/14890754/cleveland-browns-2017-nfl-scouting-combine-qb-velocity</a></p>

<p>and if you miss clicking on the link in the above article, an interesting spreadsheet.  BTW, it goes back several years if you want to take a stroll down Memory Lane to see just how many of those QBs have flopped. If you have lame arm velocity (Gasp Watson!!) You're odds of making it in the NFL go way down. Looking at the data our departed noodle arm backup Connor Shaw tossed it a smidge faster than Watson. <img src="https://brownsboard.com/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f642.png?v=2bfc1e47258" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--slightly_smiling_face" title=":slightly_smiling_face:" alt="🙂" /></p>

<p><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_-SienfT3umX0HKxRyQqyXM9BqHrotdcQA6W-V_pDiY/htmlview?usp=drive_web&amp;usp=sheets_home&amp;ths=true&amp;sle=true#" rel="external nofollow">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_-SienfT3umX0HKxRyQqyXM9BqHrotdcQA6W-V_pDiY/htmlview?usp=drive_web&amp;usp=sheets_home&amp;ths=true&amp;sle=true#</a></p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/690835</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/690835</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[hoorta]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2017 06:27:04 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Wed, 08 Mar 2017 01:55:06 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/tour2ma" aria-label="Profile: tour2ma">@<bdi>tour2ma</bdi></a> <a href="/post/689185">said</a>:</p>

<p><img src="https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder629/56337629.jpg" alt="56337629.jpg" /></p>
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<p>I stand by that</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/689219</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/689219</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Couch Pulls Out]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2017 01:55:06 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Wed, 08 Mar 2017 00:19:33 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/tim-couch-pulls-out" aria-label="Profile: tim-couch-pulls-out">@<bdi>tim-couch-pulls-out</bdi></a> <a href="/post/689128">said</a>:</p><div><p>Kizer won't be a factor today, tomorrow, next year, or maybe the year after. <em>But he has more ham...</em></p></div></blockquote>

<p><img src="https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder629/56337629.jpg" alt="56337629.jpg" /></p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/689185</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/689185</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tour2ma]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2017 00:19:33 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Tue, 07 Mar 2017 23:07:04 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/wargograw" aria-label="Profile: wargograw">@<bdi>wargograw</bdi></a> <a href="/post/689140">said</a>:</p>

<p>Promise I didn't steal this observation when I posted it in another thread.</p>
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<p>I'd be lying if I said I was the first one here to think it...</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/689153</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/689153</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Couch Pulls Out]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2017 23:07:04 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Tue, 07 Mar 2017 22:51:17 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/tim-couch-pulls-out" aria-label="Profile: tim-couch-pulls-out">@<bdi>tim-couch-pulls-out</bdi></a> <a href="/post/689047">said</a>:</p><div>




<p>Dobbs, however, has Prescott written all over him - he's talented enough to succeed, smart enough to succeed, and isn't fundamentally terrible...and he'll be around when good teams can pick him. </p>


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<p>Promise I didn't steal this observation when I posted it in another thread.</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/689140</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/689140</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[wargograw]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2017 22:51:17 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread? on Tue, 07 Mar 2017 22:27:28 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/hoorta" aria-label="Profile: hoorta">@<bdi>hoorta</bdi></a> <a href="/post/689071">said</a>:</p>

<p>Thanks for the input TC. I'll give him a look- he's been under my radar, but surely not the Browns. I'll disagree with you about Kizer though. Sure he's intelligent, but wouldn't touch him. As Tour opined he doesn't have a fast release (I'm not a qb mechanics whiz, so I'll trust him on that one).  And what I saw of him, his accuracy is suspect. If great qbs can elevate the play of their team Kizer fails badly. Had a so-so combine- but I won't hold that against him. I haven't forgotten he got benched in a game too. </p>
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<p>IMO he's solely the product of the system he was in. Brian Kelly is a bad coach - impetuous, gimmicky and not great at grooming talent.</p>

<p>He's killed the careers of multiple talented QB's in his tenure.</p>

<p>Kizer won't be a factor today, tomorrow, next year, or maybe the year after. But he has more ham enough natural talent coupled with both everyday intelligence and football intelligence.</p>

<p>Given time, he'll be something. Time is just something we don't really have to give.</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/689128</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/689128</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Couch Pulls Out]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2017 22:27:28 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>