that they were his kind of people???

"Republicans always guilty and democrat leftists are always innocent"

@westside-steve said:

what? and be clear im not whining about anything, YOU are the one constantly whining about how no matter what evidence comes out somehow the negro was spying on Trump and dammit you just know it can't nobody tell you otherwise. I'm struggling to understand what your point is anymore. My point is clear, it WASN"T the obama administration listening to Trump. The NSA whistleblower couldn't be more clear about what's going on so if you don't believe what that guy said than just say so we can all move on. But if you're gonna refer to the "whistleblower" to back up the assertion that Obama was spying on Trump.....than i think you need to go back and read again what the guy said. WHY the intelligence agencies spy on all the admins for what reason.....there's a specific one and it has nothing to do with being democrat or republican, they're listening to ALL OF THEM.

So either address the points i just made in the preceding paragraph or just drop it. Im not going to answer to another post accusing me of whining when i'm putting forth arguments made from links supplied by "you people".

@mld-woody said:

but dude they're not even sticking to what their sources are saying...this is some kind of bizarro world and quite frankly im utterly fascinated. The moonwalking around here is positively jacksonian.

@mld-woody said:

You're arguing with people that only get their information from biased sources that the information they get is biased.

Good luck.

Care to disclose the undisputed leader of unfake news?

Dennis Miller

@clevfan4life said:

The most basic technique for catching a leaker is to limit the number of people who have access to the information. Widening the number of people with access only helped make sure of leaks. Obama changed these rules 8 days before leaving office. There has been zero evidence of any collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia but we do have positive evidence of felonies committed with leaking of classified information and unmasking of persons.

Good luck.

@clevfan4life said:

strawman again steve...i didn't say every admin does it to the next admin. I really don't know how i can be clearer on this but here goes......it's the intelligence apparatus's listening to the administrations Steve. Did you seriously not read the whistleblowers thread? Did you not read that article or watch the interview? Go back and read that thread steve.

Oh you boring fuck so what is it now? Nobody has ever spied on any other Administration! It could never happen it's unheard of! Especially pure and kind Obama.

Just change it to suit which way you want to whine about.

WSS

@oldbrownsfan said:

I want to hear how something that was deemed a good thing by the intelligence services and analysts on TV including over at FOX, all of a sudden now becomes a conspiracy on Obama's part? Secondly, remember when liberals were all hot about those leaks but didn't want to address the content of those leaks? Same thing happening now. You guys are upset about the leaks and not the potential collusion with the rooskies that they point to.

@calfoxwc said:

because from the evidence we have so far it doesn't apply to the Obama administration. So not only did Obama not order the surveillance, if he even knew about it at all they likely told him we did it to you too, it's standard operating procedure for every incoming admin.

@westside-steve said:

strawman again steve...i didn't say every admin does it to the next admin. I really don't know how i can be clearer on this but here goes......it's the intelligence apparatus's listening to the administrations Steve. Did you seriously not read the whistleblowers thread? Did you not read that article or watch the interview? Go back and read that thread steve.

@clevfan4life said:

Steve, neither Obama nor anyone on his staff spied on Trump..it's not true at all. What are you not understanding? Obama and his admin were not involved in any surveillance of Trump and/or his associates. Obama and his admin themselves were likely the target of the exact same surveillance as per the whistleblower interview yhou guys posted here. Do you read your own stuff?

Oh goody he's gone from 'everybody does it to everybody all the time' to 'shut up leave poor sweet Obama alone.'

Nice pivot.

WSS

during the Bush years?

"well, technically, it hasn't been proven that obamao directly ordered it to happen so...."

doesn't cut the mustard.

@calfoxwc said:

None of this directly links Obama in any way to the surveillance of Trump. And what do Fed agencies making hasty hirings ahead of a president who said he would impose a hiring freeze have to do with ur assertion the negro was on the other end of the switch board listening to Trump have phone sex with malaria?

Where are the leaks of any benghazi "investigations" ?

"fast and furious" ? etc etc? There weren't any, because obaMao

had his people in charge, and every one was a dishonest liberal hack.

Know why? Here's why: (think about why obamao boosted fed hiring right before Trump

1. Chaffetz Cries Foul On Obama's Last-Minute Federal Hiring Spree...

   dailycaller.com/2017/01/11/chaffetz-cries-foul-on-obamas-las...

   Jan 11, 2017 ... Jason Chaffetz fears agencies' last-minute hiring flurry before ... Barack Obama issued a memo in 2010 to speed up the hiring process, ...

2. Federal agencies rush to fill job openings to beat Trump's hiring...

   www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-federal-...

   Dec 30, 2016 ... Several federal agencies are accelerating hiring in the final days of President Barack Obama's administration to ensure that as many new ...

3. Report: Some federal agencies rush to make new hires ahead of ...

   www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/31/report-some-federal-agen...

   Dec 31, 2016 ... Federal agencies are speeding up hiring in the last days of the Obama administration, ahead of President-elect Donald Trump entering the ...

@westside-steve said:

Steve, neither Obama nor anyone on his staff spied on Trump..it's not true at all. What are you not understanding? Obama and his admin were not involved in any surveillance of Trump and/or his associates. Obama and his admin themselves were likely the target of the exact same surveillance as per the whistleblower interview yhou guys posted here. Do you read your own stuff?

Associated Press didn’t mention Immigration Status of Rape Suspects in Maryland Rape Case

http://www.aim.org/on-target-blog/associated-press-didnt-mention-immigration-status-of-rape-suspects-in-maryland-rape-case/

Consider the level of actual lies being told. Obama or his team spied on Trump and his team is basically true. Fucking around with the size of the crowd at the inauguration etcetera etcetera etcetera is minor.

To be fair so is bragging that you can keep your own plan and keep your own doctor. Obama had no idea what the ACA contain and was just spinning a tale.

But here's my bottom line.

Ideology is definitely more important then truthfulness.

WSS