@wargograw said:

Trust me... you had to be there...

Once upon a time TC was more than a little... ummm... how to put this... belligerent. He could and would piece together attacks that would make Ghoolie say, "Damn, that's harsh."

But people change... even on the internet... thank God...

@wargograw said:

Which apparently you failed to grasp... ergo your opening sentence.

And I say the above "at you" as a Board friend looking forward to some Austin beers and music with you. But one of the reasons we have running discussions, and disagreements about, football is that I let your occasional comment on me, direct and indirect, go.

Why you, when I do not do the same with the Uma's and Ghoolie's and Mikey's and s-shorts's on the board? Various reasons, but mostly because you know something about football and I can tolerate an ego of your size.

Another is my general approach which is to share and understand points of view, not try to convince. Something in common with most of those with whom I regularly engage here. Close to, if not at the top of, that list is Mud, who constructs as detailed and as rational arguments as any on the board. Yet despite his often considerable time investment in the discussion, I find him willing, in the end, to part agreeing to disagree. At least unless it gets personal...

Now back to the two of youse...

Who started what when by posting whatever is immaterial at this point, but you two are now at each other. And just as others did for me in some of my running battles of the past, and there have been a few, I am pointing this out to both of you.

Sometimes one can walk away... be "the bigger man"... but more often it takes both.

Call a truce... both of you, walk away... let some time pass. If you are lucky, then you can reset and engage in at some point in the future and actually enjoy doing so.

It can happen.

If you don't believe me, ask TCPO... who actually drove me away from this forum... I mean who I chose to walk away from... for months. When I returned the reset was astonishing. Won't speak for him as to how he finds my end of our discussions, but now he's one of those that vies to be atop the list of posters I mentioned above.

I hope the two of you have the same experience I did...

... and that's all I have to say about that.

EDIT: Looks like I missed a good start...

So........IF we dont draft a QB this year(huge if)...because its a MUST for this to be great......then we use that pick(and others) to get pick #1.....then use THAT pick to get our next franchise QB.....then, Im down.....

Otherwise, forgetaboutit

And I wish they WOULD spend some of that money....very disappointed with the FA period again.....(and not vendetta, just honest feelings)

@wargograw said:

Listen...I dont think the world revolves around me.....it is you "revolving" around me thats the problem...

I have a very legitimate angle on the trade and spelled it out pretty clearly.....you dont like the opinion, so claim it's not legitimate....

My simple point was a seasoned quality veteran has better odds of helping this team than a 2nd round pick.....which is a pretty valid view and not vendetta....

@wargograw said:

listen Wargo.....as I have told you 1000 times, I dont want to defend crap to you.....dont even like talking to you.....have zero interest in your opinion.....dont not waant to argue, discuss or converse with you.....which is why you act like a jilted teen age girl....

Youve made 4 posts in the last couple of days.....every one of them was a jab directed at me....every one...

and you talk about how Im mad a Shashi and need to get over it?.....who's mad at who here.....???

You need a new hobby outside of "mud":

Try it... it's easy to do. Just look for the statements aimed at each other rather the subject matter.

Speaking of comments made at each other... I wonder how MikeyH is doing?

Take your troll show elsewhere.....

@mudfly said:

@texasag1969 said:

Yes I will.....Im recovering now.....at least starting to feel a tinge of interest again....

@tour2ma said:

Alphabetically Mud should go right above Billy Pilgrim...

Who happens to be my hero....

@choco said:

Whoops.....lucky thing I dont care what you think then,,,eh?

Amazing how my great football takes turn to crap as soon as they oppose other peoples view.....

Call a pretty person pretty and they think your brilliant.....call and ugly person ugly and they hate you....

Sorry I had to pull out the ugly.....Im sure my takes will instantly improve, as soon as I talk nice about the Browns....

@tour2ma said:

I think actually that puts Valerie Perrine right between them. Not a bad place to be.

Weight wise he looks like he's a little bigger than Allen, but can't be by much - 15lbs tops? I'm curious as to his arm measurements because he's got some long ass arms and he does a solid job using them to get initial contact

on the oline. After contact there are times his arms collapse, he soaks up to his man and just dances. Single blocked pretty often in pass pro. When Allen was on the field you could see the both had an extra gear. His burst and strength aren't anything to write home about, though he moves well enough for a big man. He plays hard whistle to whistle, gets skinny against double teams and has good awareness for getting his hands up into passing lanes when he can't get home with pressure.

Haven't watched enough to give him a grade, I'll see if I can get that done later tonight.

@choco said:

Onto the list with you...

No, no not that.....not "the" list right?

Onto the list with you...

@gumby73 said:

Haven't watched Tomlinson.

In all honesty, this is the first time in 5 years I haven't been able to watch significant cutups. I tend to not give opinions on players if I haven't seen them for myself.