<![CDATA["Pro" Class of '17 QB Evaluations]]>Collect them all...

Here's one from Bleacher Report to kick things off. I've summarized their ranking.

For the full article, including Positives and Negatives on each prospect, go to:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2687975-nfl-draft-400-ranking-the-drafts-top-qbs

NFL Draft 400: Ranking the Draft's Top QB
Matt Miller - NFL Draft Lead Writer
April 3, 2017

Grade / Label
-- 9.00 -- : Elite—No. 1 pick
8.00-8.99: All-Pro—Rare Talent
7.50-7.99: Round 1—Pro Bowl Potential
7.00-7.49: Round 1—Top-15 Player Potential
6.50-6.99: Round 2—Rookie Impact/Future Starter
6.00-6.49: Round 3—Rookie Impact/Future Starter
5.80-5.99: Round 3-4—Future Starter
5.70-5.79: Round 4—Backup Caliber
5.60-5.69: Round 5—Backup Caliber
5.30-5.59: Round 6—Backup Caliber
5.10-5.25: Round 7—Backup Caliber
5.00-5.10: Priority Free Agent
4.50-4.99: Camp Player

The Rankings:
1. Mitchell Trubisky, North Carolina - FINAL GRADE: 7.15/9.00 (Round 1—Future Starter)
2. Deshaun Watson, Clemson -------- FINAL GRADE: 7.00/9.00 (Round 1—Future Starter)
3. Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech -- FINAL GRADE: 6.75/9.00 (Round 2—Future Starter)

4. DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame ------- FINAL GRADE: 6.75/9.00 (Round 2—Future Starter)
5. Davis Webb, California -------------- FINAL GRADE: 6.25/9.00 (Round 3—Future Starter)
6. Brad Kaaya, Miami (FL) ------------- FINAL GRADE: 6.25/9.00 (Round 3—Future Starter)

7. Nathan Peterman, Pitt --------------- FINAL GRADE: 6.25/9.00 (Round 3—Future Starter)
8. Joshua Dobbs, Tennessee --------- FINAL GRADE: 5.90/9.00 (Round 4—Backup Caliber)
9. Chad Kelly, Ole Miss ----------------- FINAL GRADE: 5.70/9.00 (Round 4—Starter Traits)

10. C.J. Beathard, Iowa ----------------- FINAL GRADE: 5.40/9.00 (Round 6—Backup Caliber)
11. Jerod Evans, Virginia Tech -------- FINAL GRADE: 5.40/9.00 (Round 7—Backup Caliber)
12. Cooper Rush, Central Michigan - FINAL GRADE: 5.40/9.00 (Round 7—Backup Caliber)

13. Alek Torgersen, Penn --------------- FINAL GRADE: 5.00/9.00 (Round 7—Backup Caliber)
14. Zach Terrell, Western Michigan -- FINAL GRADE: 4.99/9.00 (Undrafted Free Agent)

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@tour2ma said:

Which is why I've argued that the NFL needs to take this "measurement" over...

That would be one step toward making it legitimate. Even still, there's going to be a decent margin for error unless they're using laser gate timing...and then it kind of defeats the purpose because every prospect is just going to try and muscle up a rocket and that's not really a good indicator of anything.

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@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

That velocity reading is meh. It's not a science, nor is it official, nor does it really show anything.

Which is why I've argued that the NFL needs to take this "measurement" over...

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@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

That velocity reading is meh. It's not a science, nor is it official, nor does it really show anything.

agree 100%....I think its just a BS stat.....people gotta talk about something......

Lets just thank god his hands aren't 1/4" shorter too.......or it'd be over.....

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/696852https://brownsboard.com/post/696852Wed, 05 Apr 2017 23:19:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "Pro" Class of '17 QB Evaluations on Wed, 05 Apr 2017 11:27:16 GMT]]>That velocity reading is meh. It's not a science, nor is it official, nor does it really show anything.

If it was indicative of actual arm strength, Colt McCoy would have a stronger arm than Flacco and Austin Davis would have a stronger arm than Cam Newton.

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@londonbrown said:

Clearly I'm no expert but how Mahomes and Trubisky can be graded higher than Kizer is baffling to me. They both have severe flaws I can't see being rectified

@mr.-make-believe said:

And Kizer doesn't?

I agree that Mahomes is a shitshow, but I like Trubisky WAY more than Kizer.

I agree, of the four, (Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes, Kizer) MHO is Kizer will be the last qb taken. Heck Webb might even go before Deshone. Accuracy and slow release are things near impossible to fix.

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@tour2ma said:

No, because I don't see "49" on tape... if you look at Watson's arm whip when he cuts loose, there is a lot of snap there.

I agree with this to a point. It is that 49MPH however that keeps from putting him ahead of Trubisky, personally.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/696631https://brownsboard.com/post/696631Tue, 04 Apr 2017 14:55:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "Pro" Class of '17 QB Evaluations on Tue, 04 Apr 2017 13:41:12 GMT]]>lol... From reddit's Browns sub...

http://i.imgur.com/yjW3i6P.gifv

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@londonbrown said:

49mph velocity on the gun not concern you Tour?

No, because I don't see "49" on tape... if you look at Watson's arm whip when he cuts loose, there is a lot of snap there.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/696610https://brownsboard.com/post/696610Tue, 04 Apr 2017 13:07:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "Pro" Class of '17 QB Evaluations on Tue, 04 Apr 2017 12:50:22 GMT]]>49mph velocity on the gun not concern you Tour?

I see little upgrade in Watson over Kessler. Kizer could be a star Watson doesn't have that ceiling

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@mr.-make-believe said:

And Kizer doesn't?

I agree that Mahomes is a shitshow, but I like Trubisky WAY more than Kizer.

And just to make the discussion complete...

Gun to my head at 12? I take Watson...

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@londonbrown said:

Clearly I'm no expert but how Mahomes and Trubisky can be graded higher than Kizer is baffling to me. They both have severe flaws I can't see being rectified

And Kizer doesn't?

I agree that Mahomes is a shitshow, but I like Trubisky WAY more than Kizer.

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@jrb12711 said:

Yeah I definitely agree, it was just something I was thinking about. These things sometimes sneak that type of crap into evaluations as a "hey, we weren't wrong!"

Right.....and I honestly dont think they are saying that all will be starting QB's......more like they are saying all have some attributes and we just dont know which "1" will rise.....

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@mudfly said:

Well....that would not be my take......I suspect they mean actual starting QB.....not an emergency 1 game fill in guy....

and, by that standard, 2014 produced 3.....and 1 of them bites......so, make it 2.......

Yeah I definitely agree, it was just something I was thinking about. These things sometimes sneak that type of crap into evaluations as a "hey, we weren't wrong!"

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/696539https://brownsboard.com/post/696539Mon, 03 Apr 2017 19:27:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "Pro" Class of '17 QB Evaluations on Mon, 03 Apr 2017 18:47:04 GMT]]>Heck....ftm, Shashi might draft 5 of them in one year too......

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@mudfly said:

7 future starters?......HA!

Unprecedented optimism that will never ever happen.....

7 starters from the same draft?>.........Ahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...haha.....ha

It's not outside the realm of reason...we could have 5 of them start for us in any given year.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/696532https://brownsboard.com/post/696532Mon, 03 Apr 2017 18:44:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "Pro" Class of '17 QB Evaluations on Mon, 03 Apr 2017 18:43:35 GMT]]>Right.....you'd think "backup caliber" is the designation for the guy who has an occasional start....

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/696531https://brownsboard.com/post/696531Mon, 03 Apr 2017 18:43:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "Pro" Class of '17 QB Evaluations on Mon, 03 Apr 2017 18:39:17 GMT]]>Yeah... seems like there should be a middle designation along the lines of "Potential Starter". A lot of kids have become starters that I can't imagine anyone predicted... e.g., Siemian, Yates, Hoyer...

Got curious and googled BR's results for 2016: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2625323-nfl-draft-400-ranking-the-top-quarterbacks-for-2015
Spoiler Alert: They also saw 7 "Future Starters" last year...

Not going to capsulize this old edition, but here are a few highlights:

  • 13. Kess - 5.70/9.00 (Round 5—Backup Caliber)
  • 10. Kevin Hogan - 5.70/9.00 (Round 5—Backup Caliber) PRO COMPARISON: Brian Hoyer
  • 9. Jacoby Brissett - 5.70/9.00 (Round 5—Backup Caliber)
  • 5. Dak Prescott - 6.10/9.00 (Round 3—Future Starter)
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@jrb12711 said:

Yeah, although I wonder what they truly mean by "future starter". By technical definition if they mean will start a game one day, for example 8 QB's from the 2014 class were "future starters"

http://insider.espn.com/nfl/draft/positions/_/id/8/year/2014/quarterback

Well....that would not be my take......I suspect they mean actual starting QB.....not an emergency 1 game fill in guy....

and, by that standard, 2014 produced 3.....and 1 of them bites......so, make it 2.......

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@mudfly said:

7 future starters?......HA!

Unprecedented optimism that will never ever happen.....

7 starters from the same draft?>.........Ahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...haha.....ha

Yeah, although I wonder what they truly mean by "future starter". By technical definition if they mean will start a game one day, for example 8 QB's from the 2014 class were "future starters"

http://insider.espn.com/nfl/draft/positions/_/id/8/year/2014/quarterback

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/696513https://brownsboard.com/post/696513Mon, 03 Apr 2017 17:35:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "Pro" Class of '17 QB Evaluations on Mon, 03 Apr 2017 17:34:20 GMT]]>Clearly I'm no expert but how Mahomes and Trubisky can be graded higher than Kizer is baffling to me. They both have severe flaws I can't see being rectified

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/696512https://brownsboard.com/post/696512Mon, 03 Apr 2017 17:34:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "Pro" Class of '17 QB Evaluations on Mon, 03 Apr 2017 17:31:10 GMT]]>Perhaps the tag should be "Future Akili Smith" rather than "future starter" ?

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/696511https://brownsboard.com/post/696511Mon, 03 Apr 2017 17:31:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "Pro" Class of '17 QB Evaluations on Mon, 03 Apr 2017 17:05:48 GMT]]>7 future starters?......HA!

Unprecedented optimism that will never ever happen.....

7 starters from the same draft?>.........Ahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...haha.....ha

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