@tour2ma said:

@mudfly said:

Sashi = Master Po

Mud = "Grasshopper"

@flugel said:

Did you just confirm Tour's inventory of the number of people reading my posts to be less than 4?

lmao...

@calfoxwc said:

Did you just confirm Tour's inventory of the number of people reading my posts to be less than 4?

In any event, thanks for all the goodies Cal! Yeah, before the Senior Bowl I was like "big deal they're giving some small school kid a chance to play while the bigger school prospects don't need this game." But this kid really jumped out at me. When you cause/get 3 different turnovers in 1 game - very tough not to like the impact and instincts. I wish he was a little bigger but I've seen a Thane Gash, Stevon Moore and others play very well here in similar frames. Plus, he's at an age where he can pack on some muscle to his 200 lbs.

if you wait around, before another team reaches for him and you are out of luck?

It's all so interesting this year. But yeah, third round seems a good bit way too high for a small school player...

we'll have to wait and see. The kid proved himself at the senior bowl - he is known by teams, now.

@calfoxwc said:

Definitely an intriguing prospect......late.....but, once we are up toward early 4 or even 3rd, I see him as more of a reach than a value pick.....kind of a Pierre Desir in a safety suit

Somehow, I missed Flugels' link on this small school safety.

THIS is a kid I would want to be on my football team, small-school, I don't care.

He is a football player.

http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2017/2/20/14676628/nfl-draft-prospect-lorenzo-jerome

http://draftbreakdown.com/why-lorenzo-jerome-will-make-history-at-nfl-draft/

He had two ints and a forced fumble in the Senior Bowl. If he is there in the fourth round, I would pick him in a

NY second. Chances are, he turned heads at the Senior Bowl to up his stock to the third round.

@mudfly said:

The more I think about it.....Im leaning toward drafting four safeties....

Gimme Adams and Hooker early......then give me Williams and Jones to back em up....OR take the #1 job if one of the early ones fail....

Go gettem Shashi.....

Getting Hooker or Adam's at 12 would be great.

@clevfan4life said:

I dont hate the idea of a safety at 12. If the top two safeties are gone and no qb we like, howard gone too, than to me peppers has to be the pick. Im really high on that kid. I know he didnt play safety much at michigan but how hard could it be to teach him seeing as he already played all over the place on offense and defense. Kid is obviously smart and teachable and one of the better athletes in the draft. Durable too right? Im not aware of major injury history with him but i could be wrong.

I just love the idea of a hybrid safety/ lb like him that can up into the box and hold his iwn but also easily recover back if needed. Kids a stud

I'd also like to note I am not Cleve. Despite his desire to draft Peppers

Gimme Adams and Hooker early......then give me Williams and Jones to back em up....OR take the #1 job if one of the early ones fail....

Go gettem Shashi.....

@mudfly said:

Spending our future QB ammo like a drunken Manziel are we?

@cambridgeho said:

Would moving up from 12 to 5-7 range for a safety cost us 1st next year?

Not per the Meers chart... which since he works for us I assume we'd use.

12 to 5 requires ~75 points of added value to be a Meers, equal trade. Our 1st pick in the 5th (5.01) charts in at 75 and change, but will be devalued some by all the Comp Picks so might have to send along our pick 3.01 and take a 7th in return to balance things.

The Hitch... the holder of the higher pick might not love the Meers chart, but loves the traditional JJ chart. In that case they'd want our 2.01 pick at minimum.... more, if they are getting other calls... another "hitch".

Our 2018 #1 is likely worth a little less than 2017's 2.01 as it's not likely we finish with the worst record again.

@cambridgeho said:

How about next years 1st.....and a second from this year?.....then we keep 12......

Id do that for sure....

@tour2ma said:

Yeah.....I see what you're saying......though, no way I see Shashi going up to get Adams........(probably gonna pick a QB or LS at 12)..... .....(snicker)

Bottom line.....Im selfish....want both......and think FS is a dire need.....just hope Shashi feels the same......

@mudfly said:

Just saying he's a better SS than FS, although he'd be fine as the latter, and SSs tend to get into the action more... more big hit opprotunities.

How would we not pick a FS? Easy... I don't see Adams falling to 12, so it'd take a trade up. A trade up eats picks quite possibly our 2.20 (#52). Fewer, or lower if we get a balancing 4th or so, picks mean a greater chance that we are not in position to take a FS Day 2 unless we reach... and I don't think we'd reach for a FS.

We simply are not going to fill every need this draft... but a Garrett - Adams start would go a long way...

@tour2ma said:

Would agree that Adams could play both....and be pretty damn good at it too.....i would also agree that it isnt getting the biggest bang for your buck(from him)....but Id take him and then put the best 2 players on the field everytime....

But...how could they NOT draft a FS??......is that even a possibility?

Of course, we thought the same last year about C, didnt we?

@domcucch1994 said:

That Obi dude is like 6 foot 4. Pretty rangy. Would be a solid FS for us if he falls in the second.. Something to consider if your DePo & Co.

Looks like an amazing athlete, but his game is not nearly as refined as several of the other guys(who may go after him)......while I see the potential(based upon his athleticism)....Im really much more into drafting game ready players.....(which are available)

1st and 2nd round projects make me nervous......

@clevfan4life said:

Im really high on that kid. I know he didnt play safety much at michigan but how hard could it be to teach him seeing as he already played all over the place on offense and defense. Kid is obviously smart and teachable and one of the better athletes in the draft. Durable too right? Im not aware of major injury history with him but i could be wrong.

I just love the idea of a hybrid safety/ lb like him that can up into the box and hold his iwn but also easily recover back if needed. Kids a stud

I see the reason you like him too.....my issue is what I just described above.....he's a raw talent without any refined skills....and a 1st round "project".....I have to pass.....

Have you watched his tackling?........needs to learn how to wrap up......looks like a Whitner clone going for the "no arms kill shot"......

Here's a stud at SS (Lorenzo Jerome from St Francis in PA) that could be on our door step in round 4 or 5. He caused 3 turnovers at the Senior Bowl (and I think he got all 3 of them). It was quite a first impression he gave me at the Senior Bowl. About 3 or 4 times he was the answer to "WHO THE HAIL WAS THAT?" What he lacks in height - he makes up for in instincts.

I just love the idea of a hybrid safety/ lb like him that can up into the box and hold his iwn but also easily recover back if needed. Kids a stud

@domcucch1994 said:

Haven't heard talk about converting Obi to FS. He was an SS at UConn.

I have agility concerns about Obi. His "close" in the Sr. Bowl in the redzone to stone a WR square-in was impressive, but it was a straight line close...

Does that make it a "close-line"?

@mudfly said:

I like Maye as well and he was in many of my early FirstPick efforts... then I "discovered" Williams..

My impression of this Safety class is that if there is one who has the potential of playing either position, it's Adams... and his Pro-Day 40 only confirmed that. While he's not in Hooker's ball-skill class (who is?), he stacks up favorably with the rest of the FS class IMO.

While it can be argued that to use Adams at FS would be to underutilize him, if doing so got your best tandem on the field, I think I could live with that until we found our FS down the road. Could even spawn FA interest at the thought of being paired with the LSU kid.

Thoughts?

@tour2ma said:

... and in a related article...

Malik Hooker in the 2017 NFL Draft: 5 reasons the Browns should not pick him

Summary of article's "points" in answer to opening question: Should the Browns draft Malik Hooker at No. 12?

• If your QB is available, forget it.
• Do you really take a one-year starter this high?
• What about his injury?
• The downside of Hooker's game. (tackling ability)
• Can you maximize value and get a safety later?

The one year starter thing is just complete garbage as in his first point he is advocating taking a one year starter at the qb position if he is your guy. So doesn't the same ring true for Hooker?

You never know how a player is going to recover from surgery but it is considered minor surgery now a days. The fact he played the last half the season with a sports hernia and bowl game with torn labrum and did so very well speaks to his toughness.

The tackling thing is very nitpicky. He is more than willing to stick his nose in on run plays and hit receivers coming over the middle. He would just rather make a play on the ball thrown over the middle. He's not a huge hitter by any stretch but he was a pretty sure tackler in college. I don't recall very many missed tackles from him unlike the free safety we just picked up from osu who played in front of him the previous year.

Edit I read report said he had 13 missed tackles which is more than i expected. Report is wrong on tackles though as it said he had 17 when he actually had 74.

The draft is very deep at safety. I fully agree you could be able to maximize value and go safety later. Literally can't argue this lol. Unless you try to solve both positions by going hooker at 12 and Jones with a pick in second round