@tour2ma said:

There you go again... letting facts get in the way.

I know right?

@clevfan4life said:

There you go again... letting facts get in the way.

I'm all in on taking a QB with our 3rd pick, even if they jump back up into the 1st with all of the draft capital they have, but not with picks 1 or 2.

@mudfly said:

“We haven’t established ‘the guy’ at the position so we’re going to look at all options, and we’ll continue to work to develop the guys that we have on our roster,” Brown said. “Hue, when we introduced him, we talked about that being one of the reasons we brought him here. We talk a lot. We watch tape on our guys so that we can learn and get on the same page and share ideas, but Hue knows how to identify them, he knows how to develop them and he knows what works for his system.

http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20170102/SPORTS/170109915

@ghoolie said:

Um no- Horton was running the same defense he ran in Arizona, Cleveland (1st stint), Tennessee, Cleveland (2nd stint). He sucked at all of them, it's why he's currently unemployed. If you want to blame Hue for anything, blame him for bringing in a three time loser to run his defense. So question Hue's judgement in coaching staff, as well as his opinions on QBs.

@clevfan4life said:

And yet DC's seem to consistently run the same defenses whichever team they land on. Especially the highly sought after ones like williams. Weird

^^^ Exactly. Williams has had pretty good defenses. And he has enough clout to tell Hue- this is how I'm doing it, and if you don't like my style, I quit.

@ghoolie said:

It will make no difference at all. Hue Jackson creates the defense, The DC simply carries out the HC's orders. Williams will be no better than Hues last Anal Access.

And yet DC's seem to consistently run the same defenses whichever team they land on. Especially the highly sought after ones like williams. Weird

@ghoolie said:

I still think using the Black Tarkenton nomenclature, which you use to try to be disparaging, is way off base. Again, Tarkenton was one of the best QBs in NFL history.

Now, if you want to say: the Black Jeff George, or the Black Ryan Leaf....that would be more appropriate.

Then we have to look for the White Jamarcus Russell. (well....I guess that would be Ryan Leaf)

@ghoolie said:

You simply don't understand a good coffee fetching system Since our teams return the GM's buys the Grocery's..Fire Him!! not the coaches with the rotten goods.(RGtark was not the worst QB of all last season).Hue & Williams may have to agree on a defensive system.Our problem IS Draft That damn System a quit making them what they are not.(look up Andrew Berry's job here) Williams will not let them pussy foot their way thru it.Hue fired his own wussy (look at his DC choices at hire)..it's a defensive draft, give it a homo's(#just4U) chance? #Throwyourdarts at the right people..

@ghoolie said:

I never said jack shit about Trubisky. Hue is going influence the FO to take Black Tarkenton at 12. They will take him to appease Hue and let him hang himself. Hue is dumb enough to take Watson at #1. THAT is who the guy would take if HE had his choice. If someone takes Watson before 12, Hue will shit his pants on camera.

@bjh2130 said:

And see that was your mistake. Just put him on ignore and you'll be smarter for it.

@tour2ma said:

I think M2P just snagged one...

I assume you meant that I took mitch2pryors mock ghoolie draft as a ghoolie post which I didn't I was simply trying to follow ghoolies post in this thread.

@clevfan4life said:

Hehe. Ok but srsly back on topic.....I understand ur point that one guy can't turn a defense around. But by that token do you ever take a Bosa or a Garrett? My nose isn't in bosa's jockstrap cause I'm an OSU homer, he could have gone to Michigan for all I care and I still would have wanted him precisely for what he did to Donald Penn in his very first start. I dream of a Browns front 4 with two earth movers in the middle and a combination power edge rusher on one side with a more speed guy in the middle......add to that a sneaky blitzing OLB'er and I can now jerk off all over myself. The two middle guys collapse the front pocket, the power edge guy further eliminates the step up and the speed guy eliminates the flush out. And everybody holds up well at the point. That is why I've been clamoring for guys like Mack, Bosa and Garett.

Each one by themselves of course means fuck all. For the past couple years you could have had JJ Watt on this defense and it wouldn't have amounted to much cause they'd just roll away from him and nobody else on the team would have made teams pay for that. That's why you build through the draft. At the beginning yes you need to trade back and build pieces around what you hope to be sure fire blue chip picks in the future that have a good supporting cast. I feel we "might" have that now with ogbah and Nassib rotating in with Garett. I really do feel that with Garett we might have the makings of an elite front 7 because we also have a potentially very good OLB'er corp with Collins and hopefully Schoberts made strides. I feel like we have the pieces to surround Garett and he puts the defense over the top in a year or two when he and the rookies from last year are fully matured.

I understand the need for a QB but I won't budge from my assessment that you have to build a competent o line first. The O lines of the past couple years were just unacceptable and you can't put a rookie out there behind that kind of incompetence.

@flugel said:

Hehe. Ok but srsly back on topic.....I understand ur point that one guy can't turn a defense around. But by that token do you ever take a Bosa or a Garrett? My nose isn't in bosa's jockstrap cause I'm an OSU homer, he could have gone to Michigan for all I care and I still would have wanted him precisely for what he did to Donald Penn in his very first start. I dream of a Browns front 4 with two earth movers in the middle and a combination power edge rusher on one side with a more speed guy in the middle......add to that a sneaky blitzing OLB'er and I can now jerk off all over myself. The two middle guys collapse the front pocket, the power edge guy further eliminates the step up and the speed guy eliminates the flush out. And everybody holds up well at the point. That is why I've been clamoring for guys like Mack, Bosa and Garett.

Each one by themselves of course means fuck all. For the past couple years you could have had JJ Watt on this defense and it wouldn't have amounted to much cause they'd just roll away from him and nobody else on the team would have made teams pay for that. That's why you build through the draft. At the beginning yes you need to trade back and build pieces around what you hope to be sure fire blue chip picks in the future that have a good supporting cast. I feel we "might" have that now with ogbah and Nassib rotating in with Garett. I really do feel that with Garett we might have the makings of an elite front 7 because we also have a potentially very good OLB'er corp with Collins and hopefully Schoberts made strides. I feel like we have the pieces to surround Garett and he puts the defense over the top in a year or two when he and the rookies from last year are fully matured.

I understand the need for a QB but I won't budge from my assessment that you have to build a competent o line first. The O lines of the past couple years were just unacceptable and you can't put a rookie out there behind that kind of incompetence.

@clevfan4life said:

You're fine. I busted your balls and you gave it right back. Ghoolie and I have never met but we've enjoyed breaking out the cyber mallets on each other over the years.

@flugel said:

That was good smart ass at the end. Now can we finally get your nose out of Bosa's dirty jock strap at least part time Clevsies?

Look at what ur asking. Does ur wife want to stop fidgeting with dildos? Ofc not. Some people just cant give certain things up?

I kid i kid, but ghoolie did have me rolling our with that one. Do u guys personally know each other?

@calfoxwc said:

Like we built one last year with all them great picks? We need to pick no. 1 and not trade it.

@bjh2130 said:

I think M2P just snagged one...

@ghoolie said:

You guys are pussies. You don't pick a guy because everyone else says he is worthy of the place you are picking him at. You pick the guy you need. If your need is a LT and you don't need anything else, you take the best LT at #1, even if some ass fuck analyst has him at #15 talent wise. Idiots.

Hue Jackson does not want Garret. I guarantee you, he doesn't want Garrett and will fight tooth and nail not to take him. Garrett will not make an impact on the W/L columns. Hue squandered his hall pass, and Year 2? It IS ALL about winning. Hue's nuts are in a vise. He won't make it to the second half if he goes 0-7.

Like it or not, he needs a QB. Trubisky IS the pick. He won't be on the board at 12. Watson is Hue's guy. Another RGIII/Black Tarkenton

What the fuck are you even spewing on about. You say Garrett isn't Hue's pick so I'm assuming you are saying Trubisky is his pick at one but then two sentences later day Watson is his guy cause he is a black tarkenton but I'm assuming you mean at 12 since you just talked about how Mitchell won't make it that far. So who exactly is hue's number 1 pick or do you just throw a bunch of shit at the wall so when one of those things happens you can say "see the all knowing Ghoolie was right again." I know you like Trubisky but as far as I'm concerned your track record with qbs (cough Paxton lynch cough) you don't know jack shit about qbs.

@calfoxwc said:

or......It's a good way to turn great into average times 2......nothin like a roster FULL of average....

Speaking of "times 2"....thats how many Pro-bowl births were awarded to Bosa and Elliott in their first season....

Coleman?.....hahahahaha

Hey....with the #12 this year, we might actually draft a winner(might)......and if he makes the Pro bowl.....we will then only be 3 Pro Bowls behind in year 2........

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ROF,L ! once that the jock strap sniffing happens, seems like there isn't

any hope for Clevsies to see the light.

Like old Sheply and Matt Leinart, to name just one. The Browns don't need just one or two

picks, they needed to trade down. That is how you build a team.

@d-bone said:

Whew... I'll take it... and run.

I used to use the scene with the gladiatorial reenactment in the Colosseum (the battle where Crowe & Co. were supposed to lose bigly to the folks in the chariots with the bows and arrows, but pulled off the upset) as the basis for a team building exercise.

Had more than a little success using it, too. So the movie was not a complete waste.

@flugel said:

One of the reasons I posted the 2018 mock draft was to show how deep it is in the 1st round with safeties and cornerbacks. That along with this year's safety heavy draft should fill any need that is actually there if we still show a secondary weakness with the time for QBs to throw cut in half or better. No more of these 5-7 second passing plays against us if we really load up on QB pressure players to go with who we already have on the team.