@browns1216 said:

@the-gipper said:

Hopefully the Browns don't let the glare of the QB need blind them into reaching for a QB when there are so many other picks that could step in and make the team better right away. Kessler did better than expected last season, I don't see any of this year's QBs beating him out. I do see someone like Garrett making an immediate impact on improving the lackluster pass rush from last year. Can't pass on Garrett to draft someone with 13 college starts, Trubisky could be good, but he's too much of an unknown and what is known of him is not impressive enough for #1 overall. Who knows what the Browns will do tomorrow night. Only one more day of waiting...

QB is THE most glaring need. As one article said: 10 out of 10. The next being OLB, then DBs.

OL would have likely been 9 or 10 out of 10, but then the Browns addressed that area significantly in the FA period.

Now, its QB and defense.

@browns1216 said:

Agree with this... I think the whole "5th year option" thing is overblown. If you don't know what you have in a QB by the end of year three, then he's not the guy.

And if he is "the guy", then you lock him up with a multi-year extension paying a premium to the going rate, if you have to...

Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahomes, Webb, Liufau:

neither one makes me want to spend a first-round pick when the Browns have too many other glaring needs. I know, QB is also a glaring need but I am not seeing 1st round, can't-miss talent at the QB position like there are with other positions, particularly on defense.

The Browns just aren't good enough a team to be able to plunk in a rookie QB and have success. Kessler will start this season, Osweiler will be #2. Let other teams reach for Trubisky and Watson in the first. If Kizer falls to the second round I would draft him there, but I wouldn't be upset if the Browns wait until even later in the draft to get Webb. I hope they don't go with Mahomes but there's no telling with Hue. I don't know anything about Liufau. I would not spend any picks to move back up to the first round to draft Kizer, even though there's been speculation he may go in the first. Again, the rationale is I don't see any of this year's QBs making an impact right away, I'd rather stick with Kessler and bulk up the rest of the team to make it more QB-friendly (i.e., not getting pummelled every play, not having a defense give up 30 points a game, etc.). Of course, this are only my observations and the Browns rarely do what I think they will do.

Now finally, my prediction: the Browns trade away some picks to move back into the first and grab Kizer at #22.

@tour2ma said:

Same here... I felt like a bee flitting from one QB flower to another never really settling on one...

The lone exception was Kelly, but that's because of his value in the 5th round... and I even gave him over for Kaaya in my FirstPick by my Board V2.0.

Bottom line: I never saw enough talent in a single QB in this class to stick with him, but saw enough from most every QB to make him "plausible". This is a first for me.

I'm in almost the same boat, except with Kizer.

@wargograw said:

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

It just goes to show how preseason and early season opinions change.

Same here... I felt like a bee flitting from one QB flower to another never really settling on one...

The lone exception was Kelly, but that's because of his value in the 5th round... and I even gave him over for Kaaya in my FirstPick by my Board V2.0.

Bottom line: I never saw enough talent in a single QB in this class to stick with him, but saw enough from most every QB to make him "plausible". This is a first for me.

@cuwoohio said:

I think both of them will bust. Kizer won't get drafted until Friday.

@wargograw said:

Boy that Mahomes love (or at least intrigue) was short-lived.

For me? Wasn't much love here - I was intrigued by him back in September, but the more I watched...the less I liked.

Reverse for Kaaya, I thought he was awful at the beginning of the season. I still think he's kind of bad but possesses enough transferable skills.

It just goes to show how preseason and early season opinions change.

The bust will be Watson. Good attitude, but the tools are not as sharp. With the right team I guess anything would be possible for either.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I have been anti-Kaaya for a while, but he may have a good NFL career. His QB camp was extremely impressive and he's clearly a quick thinker. If he can play from a dirty pocket the way he plays from a clean one, he'll be a Pro Bowler.

But here's my list, in order from most successful overall career to least successful:

Kizer

Kaaya

Dobbs

Watson

Trubisky

Peterman

Mahomes

Boy that Mahomes love (or at least intrigue) was short-lived.

@hoorta said:

How about this:

Make it a required testing procedure for players at the combine to play Whack-A-Mole and test their reaction times.

@orion said:

I think I'd love to read that, if you have the link... but I'm not sure I would...

@lbc-mike said:

Kiser

As long as he's not a Kiser and Teller...

Hey! It's early...

@mudfly said:

Listen....if they draft Trubs....I promise 2 things.....

1) I will bitch about it and bemoan a few guys we passed....then....

2) ... I will get excited and get behind him, till he proves he's not worthy.....if I could do it with Johnny, I certainly can do it for Trubs...

Sign me up...

But here's my list, in order from most successful overall career to least successful:

Kizer

Kaaya

Dobbs

Watson

Trubisky

Peterman

Mahomes

@hoorta said:

Couch was the last one I liked too.....

Listen....if they draft Trubs....I promise 2 things.....

1) I will bitch about it and bemoan a few guys we passed....then....

2) ... I will get excited and get behind him, till he proves he's not worthy.....if I could do it with Johnny, I certainly can do it for Trubs...

@mudfly said:

Too bad they don't do the "Dot" test like I've seen in a few places. Measure of reaction time, just expand it a little. Black 3' X 3' screen, flash red dots X 10 sequentially on it at random spots, see how long it takes someone to touch all of them.

Yes Mud, I realize the speed of the pro game is way faster than college, but to my untrained eye Mitch has a pretty fast release. Now if you're positing he's going to be easily confused by the complexity of pro defenses- that remains to be seen. I posted in another thread @ Gruden's qb camp they broke down Trubs two bad interceptions he tossed in the Stanford Bowl game. Chalk it up to inexperience, as Mitch admitted they used pro style stunting that he had never seen before. So the big question is- can he learn from his mistakes? I hope so, or I'm going to be dead wrong about him. The last qb I was this high on was Tim Couch- and we all know what happened there. I like to think my track record since on QBs is pretty good. Didn't want any of our last three first round qbs, and I would have puked if we had done the Redskins thing to move up and draft RG III. Speaking of Robert, I believe he's still unemployed.

The best = all of the 'other' QB's.

('cuz that's how we roll)

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I just read an article where Banner says that in February, Manziel was not even on their draft board. Then he & Lombatami got fired, Ray Farmer got promoted...and Manziel got drafted.

...I wonder which QB Haslam wants THIS time around?

@hoorta said:

Glad he did ok.....25 suits me fine and is 5 ticks above 20, which seems to be the cut off/////\\\

But...how he talks isnt really the issue....myself and MANY others think he comes off as kinda stupid....slow at the board....and, yeah, slow at responding to basic questions.....and, with a QB, you hope for and expect a quick sharp mind.....thats all......

Im thinking you will get your wish too.....feeling more and more like the Browns are working on a way to get him......

It worries me(a lot)....but would be a GREAT story if he came here and ended up being the guy to turn it around......

We can all dream........

@hoorta said:

http://walterfootball.com/combine2017QB.php

@londonbrown said:

Wonderlic scores

Beathard 26

Dobbs 29

Kaaya 34

Kizer 28

Knight 30

Mahomes 24

Peterman 33

Tribusky 25

Watson 20

Webb 25

So yeah Tour, we do have a Rocket Scientist in this draft class.

@londonbrown said:

Wonderlic scores: Beathard 26 - Dobbs 29 - Kaaya 34 - Kizer 28 - Knight 30 - Mahomes 24 - Peterman 33 - Tribusky 25 - Watson 20 - Webb 25

Talk about confirmation bias... I just watched the Gruden episodes for Peterman, Kaaya and Dobbs late last nite... in that order.

Peterman's maturity impressed, but it was Kaaya that blew me away. Both bested my previous blew-me-away-Gruden-Camp-leader-in-the-clubhouse, Kizer.

Dobbs? Could not help but think "goofy geek" for most of his classroom time... and I don't see NFL players rallying to a goofy-geek. But there was one parting moment on-field, when he offered a life lesson to those who participated in his field session:

"Football... we do it a lot. Some people get burned out. You don't get burned out because of what you do; you get burned out because you forget why you do it. So don't forget your purpose."

Not just what he said, but the way he said it without a hint of "goofy".

The thought also struck me that there are elements in nearly every Gruden segment that are identical, e.g., "What are you listening to?", "R.C.E.", etc., but this is the first time I remember seeing Gruden ask the prospect for any "words of wisdom" at the tail-end huddle-up. I doubt it was the first time he asked. More likely it's the first time the reply was broadcast worthy.

That feels like it should be worth something.