@westside-steve said:

@roycerolls said:

Well now that we're here....would the flying monkeys be throwing their poop or yours?

Well I don't really love poop but if I had to clean off 1 of the other I guess I'd rather clean off my own. Which i've actually done at times in my life. To be honest i've never had to clean off monkey poop.

WSS

@jcam222 said:

Well unless Sashi is flat-out lying your gut is having a bad gas attack. His last two responses to MKC also apply to Bortles, not just Garropolo. What I remember it goes like this- "I can't envision trading for an established QB draft weekend."

@jcam222 said:

Lets bottom line the replies, What pick(s) would you give for Bortles. Assume they take a QB at 4 and no longer need his services.

If the Jags take a qb @ #4, what would I give for him? Nada. No interest. More pre draft speculation that isn't worth crap.

If not for this and couple other diversionary threads, we'd have been hip deep (at minimum) in the second round of the FO-Staff-split-on-#1/still-a-great-chance-we'll-take-Trubs-at-#1 and/or still-a-great-chance-we'll-trade-the-#1 rumor swamp all week. Been there... done that...

My last thought on that will be: the NFL wants drama around it's #1 overall pick. It would not surprise me at all to find out that some of the topic's "sources" are league sources... as in "we're hearing from people that the Browns are..."

@flugel said:

Therefore, I'm going to join you in the no thanks to Bortles & James...

... or maybe Benson & Hedges?

@westside-steve said:

Not as bad as getting inside the butt in the first place. But now the conversation is taken a decided downward turn

?

WSS

Well now that we're here....would the flying monkeys be throwing their poop or yours?

@jcam222 said:

Steve that seems as though it would hurt a LOT lol

?

WSS

65.6% comp

7.1 ypa

92.3 rating

49.6 qbr

2016 Bortles

58.9% comp

6.2 ypa

78.8 rating

49.2 qbr

Ya... dont see any reason to get this guy

So, why would we pay 2 draft picks and burn another season on a retread who has played worse than the guy we just drafted?.....

....all while stopping the progression of the potential developing QB we just picked last year?

Not seeing where it makes sense to do that.....???....

Can someone.....seriously.....articulate how burning picks on Bortles and benching Kessler is the better option?

@calfoxwc said:

sorry, but I think that gut feeling is a touch of malaria.

@wargograw said:

I don't know. I send/receive them so infrequently I should have plenty of room left to get these and I don't have anyone on ignore. I'll look into it. Thanks for letting me know about it War!

@flugel said:

There is thinking out of the box, and then there's just silliness. Bortles just doesn't see the field.

From Foxports:

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/arizona-cardinals-blake-bortles-not-worth-more-than-mid-round-pick-041717

"The biggest issue with this trade isn’t Bortles, however. If Tom Coughlin expects to get a first-round pick out of a quarterback that’s completed just 58.8 percent of his career passes while throwing 51 interceptions to just 69 touchdowns, then he has completely lost his mind."

@tour2ma said:

Every time I watch him make a decision at crunch time, it looks like that container of Gatorade he chugged during time out was full of Bartles & James, which I now have to rename in his honor.

Therefore, I'm going to join you in the no thanks to Bortles & James...

I do appreciate the thinking outside the box from the OP though. Daniel Jeremiah said something that made a lot of sense. As WELL DUH as it sounds - the way he articulated it really hit home. He said every time another Cleveland FO gets bullied into drafting a QB in round 1 because that's what they're supposed to do - they're turning away first round talent that can help them for just a Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden and Manziel. In 2 of those drafts, Russell Wilson and Derek Carr went 1-2 rounds later.

As we've all discussed for months now, the difference between the top QBs in this draft and mid-later round prospects isn't as big as it is in other years so why not stick with BPA in lieu of forcing something at QB too early?

@jcam222 said:

well that's good enough for me

carry on

3rd most pass attempts

15th in yards

Good for 28th in yards/attempt (6.25)

28th in comp % (58.9)

26th in passer rating (78.8)

2015

6th most pass attempts

7th in yards

Good for 15th in yards/attempt (7.31)

31st in comp % (58.6)

23rd in passer rating (88.2)

Not very impressive...

@syd said:

my bad for posting on this thread But why is this even being discussed ?

Bortles hasn't been successful in Jacksonville, but if they aren't going to commit to him, then what do they do? Can they draft competition at four without it turning into a circus? Can they find a suitor and get value in return? Who would be willing to dish?

I'd been attempting to come up with "alternative" scenarios for the Browns in dealing with their QB search. Always hated giving up the farm for Garropolo. Don't like the idea of passing on Garrett at one OR waiting and watching their guy get picked between 1 & 12 and settling for someone like Kizer or some other Dumbass later in the draft. Also don't think Osweiler is worth a try and don't believe Kessler has the goods.

The Browns are destined for another awful season if they can't find a quarterback in my opinion. And subsequent ones later until they do. Bortles was an idea with just as much potential as any in this draft class and if he could be acquired without a large investment, it's a scenario we've seen work for some other teams in the past.

I think Bortles has been Couched behind his offensive line in Jacksonville, but I haven't seen enough to truly vouch for him. I'm neither against this idea, nor would I endorse it. It was just me connecting invisible dots to come up with something I felt was interesting and not entirely absurd.

Then jcamm started this thread and I realized I wasn't the only bastard with Bortles on the brain.

I just don't see Blake as better than a MOR QB, but I'd be lying if I've said I've studied him. In my small sampling I've just seen to many "WTF?'s" mixed in with the good. Some of it is certainly pressure related and, yes, I believe our better-on-paper OL would be a help, but if an OL is all he needs, then why would JAX trade him rather than build him an OL that whoever is next would need anyway?

I just don't like the percentages in pursuing another QB shortcut that looks like a blind alley....

TC, have you seen enough of him to remain steadfast, or is your continued optimism merely original evaluation carryover?

@mr.-make-believe said:

I had a similar inkling, although it didn't involve swapping firsts.

Brock, half his salary and one of their 2018 seconds.

Then the Jags take their next QB of the future without controversy as he either sits behind Osweiler for a year or beats him for the starter position.

The Browns get Garrett and BPA at 12 and so on and get kudos for taking a low-risk/high-reward stab at stabilizing their own QB situation. Pressure to draft one in a down year goes away.

I read this 3 times! The more I read this the more it makes some sense! This aint no Make Believe....Mr.

GO BROWNS!!!