@hoorta said:

Are you sure about that 5 (minutes)?

@flugel said:

Ha, you would have been cheering for Mitch too. if the Bears hadn't taken him @ #2, we would have @ #5. If Cleveland had drafted him, the fans attitude would have been entirely different.

Not so bold prediction: Kizer won't get 1\2 the Cleveland love Trubisky would have. Plenty of ND hatas out there. If you don't think there's a small legion of fans out there that will boo him after his second interception in a game- you'd be wrong. He's already rubbed a bunch of fans the wrong way with his statements after getting drafted. Humble, he's not. They say you only have one chance to make a good first impression. And to this fan- he failed. Unlikable and unlovable. The only way he's going to earn my love is win some frickin' football games. And it's NOT because we didn't draft Mitch. Same reason a bunch of us had a WTF moment when we drafted Kessler last year.

I've changed my mind (a little) since Friday night. I suppose he's a good value pick with upside. What I like best is several of the early 2018 mock drafts have us taking Darnold, regardless that we drafted Kizer. If Sam's the stud everyone thinks he is, we could wind up in a similar situation as the Patriots with Garropolo. Of course if we go 7-9 like the some of the Sunshine pumpers have us at, we're probably not going to be in the discussion of moving up to #1 next year.

@the-gipper said:

And thank God they did not trade for AJ McCarron...also a national title QB.

I guess it depends what they traded for him.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

And thank God they did not trade for AJ McCarron...also a national title QB.

@the-gipper said:

Josh Heupel won a national championship at QB. Craig Krenzel did too. Ken Dorsey. Matt Mauck. Chris Leak. Tim Tebow. Greg McElroy.

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Thank God Kizer doesn't have that stigma.

WSS

@hoorta said:

Josh Heupel won a national championship at QB. Craig Krenzel did too. Ken Dorsey. Matt Mauck. Chris Leak. Tim Tebow. Greg McElroy.

And beware of hyping up USC QBs. Can you say Matt Leinert. (Is Sam Darnold the next Matt Leinert?)

@mudfly said:

College? I was thinking that you were still there this past weekend!

@tour2ma said:

And if DeValve turns out to be the player they think he would be, I will gladly sit in the caboose and eat dog chow while admitting I was wrong about this FO. Especially if either Kessler or Kizer turn out to be "The One".

@texasag1969 said:

But can we trust an ex-Browns' assessment of the Browns?

And there it is... an early-ish convert jumping on our FO train. Pretty sure there's still room... in 2nd class... ALL ABOARD!

@flugel said:

Can we clarify which will be wearing The "Putz" Jersey or The "Nag" Jersey? Preseason 9-31-17 at Chicago..Xmas Eve 12-24-17 at Chicago..Ting! Ting! Get your Tickets Now..

@hoorta said:

Nate Burleson on Good Morning Football NFL Net said this morning that he felt Kizer will be the long term best QB from this class and before the season is out he will be starting. he said with what the browns have done and are doing they will end up 7-9 and a team the fans will get behind again and love. He said the X factor that can really bring out Kizer is Josh Gordon if he finally gets it right. He was also saying not to just look at Garrett and Peppers who are both Williams' kind of players for his D, but also the last two drafted in the 7th, both All-Americans. He was saying that top to bottom the Browns were the real winners in this draft. The others agreed with him.

They also bragged on the Browns for their 9 players for Wentz trade with 2 more to go next year. "They really know how to use their draft capital.

I'm finally coming around on this FO and give them a Mulligan for their shortened time to prep for last year's draft. And now that I understand the Wentz deal, it all makes sense to build that D and drop in a QB. Hopefully they are right about Kizer.

@hoorta said:

Chicago is looking for their first 2 fans happy about their trade up for Mitch. Sounds like a perfect opportunity for you and Ghoolie to become those 2 fans...

@flugel said:

Um, regarding Mitch- nope, doesn't play for the Browns, not making excuses for him. It will be interesting to see who has the better pro career, Trubisky or Kizer. With the trade down, the Browns obviously didn't want Watson. Yup, I don't give a rat what Watson did against Alabama. Went 1-1. To me, that's a poor indicator as to how he's going to play in the pros. Still think he has an extremely high potential of busting.

@mudfly said:

Dude... you beat me to it.... man....

@lbc-mike said:

Man...I was high on all kinds of stuff coming out of college.....

@tour2ma said:

He signed with the Cardinals UDFA. As did our future safety, QB Trevor Knight.

@syd said:

I fully expect him to be the Browns starter come the first game of the season. Real game, not preseason.

@tour2ma said:

And #3 overall in Walterfootball's 2018 mock draft. First WR/return man on the board. And is far cleaner that Speedy Noil who screwed up so bad he hasn't even signed yet as a UFA despite a knockout combine.

@tour2ma said:

Oh...is he by any chance a captain...?

@flugel said:

1. Good luck with that...
2. "That" was short-lived... but appreciate the effort...

@texasag1969 said:

The QB pick that lucked out the most was Mahomes who is not expected to be the man for at least 2-3 years while he develops.

And few are better positioned to wait than KC. It's a perfect match for a project with a similar skill set to Smith.

And if by 2019 it's clear Mahomes is not the replacement, there's still time to reload.

@texasag1969 said:

Edit: The hope is that the franchise QB is already on the team now either in Kessler or Kizer and that next year's draft can be used to really build something very special. Christian Kirk anyone?

Lemme guess without looking.... Kirk's an Aggie...

@texasag1969 said:

Vastly?.....not seeing that.....but do expect both the DL and OL to be much better....which will domino to create improvement elsewhere....

DB's and LB's will benefit from the DL......RB's, QB's and WR's will benefit from The OL...

Now....if Kessler gets more opps and actually starts looking down field....5 wins doesnt seem outrageous.....

@texasag1969 said:

With a vastly improved defense that I expect to get from Williams and a QB with a far better OL combined with his off season improvement plan, I can actually see us with 5 or more wins this coming year. If Kizer is really the guy, the staff will know it before year's end. If not then we have what we need to get one better (and I do think the top 2 are better at this point).

WSS