<![CDATA[Impacts of Our 2017 Draft on Our 53-man Roster]]>Here's our haul: one QB, one RB, one TE, one OT, one DE, two DTs, one CB, one S and one K.

Plus we're adding UDFAs at a rapid clip as in customary, but who knows what's in that pile. What we do know is when you spend a pick, you do it expecting that prospect to, at a minimum, make your team, your 53-man roster.

Clearly no area will be impacted more in 2017 than our DL... and in particular DT. This thought came racing thru my noggin' last nite and then was gone 'til a a while ago.

This will not be the first DL discussion here. When we changed DCs we had a thread examining his impact with obvious emphasis on the change to his base 4-3 from Horton's base 3-4. At that time, IIRC, I with others were happy to fit Danny into our new DC's 4-3 at the 0 or 1 tech. Did not even have to work hard to do so. Then there was Des... coming off injury at 30. Some discussion of starter at the 3-tech, but assuming full recovery a useful player.

And then we go and draft not one, but two stout, yet reportedly quick DTs.

We now have 9, yes, 9 DTs on our roster. A couple can be considered DT/DE swingmen, but the DE slots are pretty full. The DTs are in the order I've handicapped them:

  1. Shelton, Danny
  2. Bryant, Desmond
  3. Ogunjobi, Larry
  4. Cooper, Xavier
  5. Meder, Jamie
  6. Wright, Gabe
  7. Lawrence-Stample, Nile
  8. Brantley, Caleb
  9. Coley, Trevon

At most we carry five? Clearly one looks sacrificial, Coley. Then maybe there's Lawrence-Stample, but he was a well-regarded late pick in 2016. Then there's Brantley, who is in an "iffy" class by himself, but we're full up here. Even should these three all go, and Stample , more need to go as well.

So my questions are:

  • Is Danny really versatile enough for Williams D?
  • Is Des young enough for our youth movement?
]]>https://brownsboard.com/topic/46726/impacts-of-our-2017-draft-on-our-53-man-rosterRSS for NodeFri, 02 Oct 2026 21:08:42 GMTSun, 30 Apr 2017 23:46:36 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Impacts of Our 2017 Draft on Our 53-man Roster on Tue, 02 May 2017 12:49:09 GMT]]>Certainly there was a reason Reiter got that start over Fabs, but when Fabs had to step in, I thought he did a nice job as well.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/704364https://brownsboard.com/post/704364Tue, 02 May 2017 12:49:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Impacts of Our 2017 Draft on Our 53-man Roster on Tue, 02 May 2017 03:16:39 GMT]]>Fabiano replaced Joe Thomas in the first pre season game and played solidly. He became, "My Man". Except....any time he played after that I thought he stunk. It will be interesting to see if he improves......and to see if that Rieter guy is really as good as we thought, before he got hurt in his only game for us.

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@tiamat63 said:

Forgive me if my tone sounded short. It wasn't, I was genuinely confused and I love that phrase.

Having said that, I appreciate the kind words. I don't think I got

Jackson drafted that high. I called him high 2nd fringe first with world's of potential. Similar to how fond I was of Orchard.

Adoree is raw with his feet and hands, but he was drafted that high for what he can be - not what he is.

Good to return to football talk and not draft talk, by the way.

Tia-Man forgiven..were all not browns fans without some frustration..some just suck wording it. than suck typing it. than Cajun Bobby Bushe' says "hell hit the enter button"..That's Me! Woof On

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@gumby73 said:

Lighten up Brutus Ninja with a half Buckeye Shell 😉 It's a compliment that a poster can actually determine a position players technique to a T. Glad your here.maybe I'll try back in 3 more years..Your stuff got Adoree Jackson gone by round 1... EDIT---Tour all I got on our OL for now is the answer to--Ca Ka meal Erving---If this new Magic Card Dealer OL Coach can't deal a Joker on this Guy...it's 😡

Forgive me if my tone sounded short. It wasn't, I was genuinely confused and I love that phrase.

Having said that, I appreciate the kind words. I don't think I got

Jackson drafted that high. I called him high 2nd fringe first with world's of potential. Similar to how fond I was of Orchard.

Adoree is raw with his feet and hands, but he was drafted that high for what he can be - not what he is.

Good to return to football talk and not draft talk, by the way.

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@wargograw said:

I wonder if Greco can beat out Tretter. That's a pretty good player to have riding pine.

As for the numbers here, I'd say it's your starting 5, Johnson, Greco, Drango, Reiter.

Can't see John winning a starting role from where we are. TBH can't even be sure he makes the team given his Lizzie. But if he recovers well enough to regain 90% of his form, then his dual backup capability should keep him around. Of course, if he's not recovered and goes PUP... that ain't bad either.

Fabs vs. Reiter... interesting problem. I only went Fabs because he has more tape on him making it easier for a claim off our PS.

@wargograw said:

Football nuts and bolts talk is back. As in actual football talk rather than just draft talk.

Yes, I polished my Gumby decoder this morning. We have a poster on my A&M board who types just as poorly but is a football savant, so I'm used to it.

And it is worth polishing... there be gems in them thar jumbles...

Plus when mine fails, which it occasionally does, I just furrow my brow, scratch my nutz and boltz, and chuckle...

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@tiamat63 said:

What in the actual fuck does that even mean?

YIKES! He was giving you props for talking football........ Tough room.

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@tiamat63 said:

What in the actual fuck does that even mean?

Football nuts and bolts talk is back. As in actual football talk rather than just draft talk.

Yes, I polished my Gumby decoder this morning. We have a poster on my A&M board who types just as poorly but is a football savant, so I'm used to it.

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@tour2ma said:

Moving on to our next log jam... The OL...

We now have 15 OL on our roster (plus a UDFA or two now). At most we keep 9 on the 53. Starters look to be:

Thomas - Bito - Tretter - Zeitler - Coleman

"Safe" backups look to be:

  • OT - Johnson
  • OG/C - Greco & Fabs(?)
  • Swing - Drango (w/ Greco on deck)

PS eligible (less than three accrued seasons & six active games) candidates include:

Fabs (1&4), Reiter (1&1), Sterup (1&0), UDFAs (0&0)...

Too much tape on Fabs; roll the dice on Rieter?; Sterup looks like a safe stash as should be a UDFA or two

Not PS eligible:

Ikard (3&6), Erving, Martin, McCants ... buh-bye?

That's 15... pot's right... deal.

I wonder if Greco can beat out Tretter. That's a pretty good player to have riding pine.

As for the numbers here, I'd say it's your starting 5, Johnson, Greco, Drango, Reiter.

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@tour2ma said:

Feels more typical... but still a little high for the 53... especially for a 4-man DL. Somewhere you'd like to double up who a backup is backing up. and get by with 7. LBs get the advantage of being needed on S/Ts.

Downside? If he's injured, then he requires two backups. Or if there's an injury to one of his position-mates, his utilization can be restricted.

Good question... coming off a coming out season including a pro bowl? Maybe a 2nd and change with one or both "conditional"?

That's pretty crazy for a guy who was picked 10th and is young.

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@tiamat63 said:

What in the actual fuck does that even mean?

Lighten up Brutus Ninja with a half Buckeye Shell 😉 It's a compliment that a poster can actually determine a position players technique to a T. Glad your here.maybe I'll try back in 3 more years..Your stuff got Adoree Jackson gone by round 1... EDIT---Tour all I got on our OL for now is the answer to--Ca Ka meal Erving---If this new Magic Card Dealer OL Coach can't deal a Joker on this Guy...it's 😡

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/704253https://brownsboard.com/post/704253Mon, 01 May 2017 21:10:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Impacts of Our 2017 Draft on Our 53-man Roster on Mon, 01 May 2017 19:18:30 GMT]]>

@tiamat63 said:

Some of you need to get the idea of Danny being let go out of your head.

Some?

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@gumby73 said:

Awesome..Football talk nutz & botz is back^^

What in the actual fuck does that even mean?

Some of you need to get the idea of Danny being let go out of your head. Regardless of what your preconceived ideas of 34/43 should be, he will fill the classic 0/1 tech role under coach Williams in a similar manner

that he has previously. Only now he'll be 1-gapping 90% of the time. He may lose another 5lbs or so so he can check in around 325-330, but he's a probowl caliber interior run defender. In the AFCN when the elements

can turn on you starting in November, that type of presence to slow a teams running game becomes that much more important. You still need someone to hold their ground against double teams in this defense the same as before.

That man is Danny Shelton.

Don't believe me? Please refer to Snacks Harrison for the Gmen as your dose of truth.

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@tour2ma said:

Moving on to our next log jam... The OL...

We now have 15 OL on our roster (plus a UDFA or two now). At most we keep 9 on the 53. Starters look to be:

Thomas - Bito - Tretter - Zeitler - Coleman

"Safe" backups look to be:

  • OT - Johnson
  • OG/C - Greco & Fabs(?)
  • Swing - Drango (w/ Greco on deck)

PS eligible (less than three accrued seasons & six active games) candidates include:

Fabs (1&4), Reiter (1&1), Sterup (1&0), UDFAs (0&0)...

Too much tape on Fabs; roll the dice on Rieter?; Sterup looks like a safe stash as should be a UDFA or two

Not PS eligible:

Ikard (3&6), Erving, Martin, McCants ... buh-bye?

That's 15... pot's right... deal.

Erving ass is definitely in the frying pan. Somehow though I think Martin or McCants stays over Fabiano.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/704205https://brownsboard.com/post/704205Mon, 01 May 2017 17:18:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Impacts of Our 2017 Draft on Our 53-man Roster on Mon, 01 May 2017 17:15:32 GMT]]>

@tour2ma said:

No bigger, class of '16 disappointment in my eyes than Schobert. I knew he's be athletically challenged in the NFL, but thought he had the head to compensate. Instead he looked lost... and athletically outclassed.

Feels like Orch will be our early-down LOLB giving way to a DB in our passing packages.

And yet, Schobert is listed as our starter at ROLB. It is why I said OLB was to me a priority need. Browns however did NOT address that position in the draft. Yes, you would think Orchard would step up and claim that spot....but Mr. 18 1/2 sacks in college has not done so.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/704204https://brownsboard.com/post/704204Mon, 01 May 2017 17:15:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Impacts of Our 2017 Draft on Our 53-man Roster on Mon, 01 May 2017 16:48:45 GMT]]>Moving on to our next log jam... The OL...

We now have 15 OL on our roster (plus a UDFA or two now). At most we keep 9 on the 53. Starters look to be:

Thomas - Bito - Tretter - Zeitler - Coleman

"Safe" backups look to be:

  • OT - Johnson
  • OG/C - Greco & Fabs(?)
  • Swing - Drango (w/ Greco on deck)

PS eligible (less than three accrued seasons & six active games) candidates include:

Fabs (1&4), Reiter (1&1), Sterup (1&0), UDFAs (0&0)...

Too much tape on Fabs; roll the dice on Rieter?; Sterup looks like a safe stash as should be a UDFA or two

Not PS eligible:

Ikard (3&6), Erving, Martin, McCants ... buh-bye?

That's 15... pot's right... deal.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/704196https://brownsboard.com/post/704196Mon, 01 May 2017 16:48:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Impacts of Our 2017 Draft on Our 53-man Roster on Mon, 01 May 2017 16:43:33 GMT]]>

@bigalow80 said:

I'm interested to see where guys like Orchard and Schobert end up either at DL or LB. Also, There are a lot of offensive lineman depth that the Browns seemed to really like. I'm curious as to how many they keep moving forward. Guys such as Reiter, Fabiano, Greco, Drango..not even mentioning Erving and Coleman.

No bigger, class of '16 disappointment in my eyes than Schobert. I knew he's be athletically challenged in the NFL, but thought he had the head to compensate. Instead he looked lost... and athletically outclassed.

Feels like Orch will be our early-down LOLB giving way to a DB in our passing packages.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/704195https://brownsboard.com/post/704195Mon, 01 May 2017 16:43:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Impacts of Our 2017 Draft on Our 53-man Roster on Mon, 01 May 2017 15:15:52 GMT]]>

@bigalow80 said:

I'm interested to see where guys like Orchard and Schobert end up either at DL or LB. Also, There are a lot of offensive lineman depth that the Browns seemed to really like. I'm curious as to how many they keep moving forward. Guys such as Reiter, Fabiano, Greco, Drango..not even mentioning Erving and Coleman.

And now Roderick Johnson. They didn't trade up for this guy to cut him.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/704174https://brownsboard.com/post/704174Mon, 01 May 2017 15:15:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Impacts of Our 2017 Draft on Our 53-man Roster on Mon, 01 May 2017 15:14:33 GMT]]>

@mld-woody said:

And now one of those 5s is a hybrid that might allow us to do more 4-3 stuff without subs. Like how he was used in College

Could be.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/704173https://brownsboard.com/post/704173Mon, 01 May 2017 15:14:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Impacts of Our 2017 Draft on Our 53-man Roster on Mon, 01 May 2017 15:13:56 GMT]]>

@cainedesoulis said:

On 53

He keeps more lineman and less line backers it almost looks like he prefers 4-2-5

Browns ARE thin at OLB. If they really do use this type of formation, then that thinness may be abrogated.

But then....we were fairly thin at DB....at least quality wise...though we do have bodies. How many and who of those do we keep?

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/704172https://brownsboard.com/post/704172Mon, 01 May 2017 15:13:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Impacts of Our 2017 Draft on Our 53-man Roster on Mon, 01 May 2017 15:10:27 GMT]]>

@tour2ma said:

Here's our haul: one QB, one RB, one TE, one OT, one DE, two DTs, one CB, one S and one K.

Plus we're adding UDFAs at a rapid clip as in customary, but who knows what's in that pile. What we do know is when you spend a pick, you do it expecting that prospect to, at a minimum, make your team, your 53-man roster.

Clearly no area will be impacted more in 2017 than our DL... and in particular DT. This thought came racing thru my noggin' last nite and then was gone 'til a a while ago.

This will not be the first DL discussion here. When we changed DCs we had a thread examining his impact with obvious emphasis on the change to his base 4-3 from Horton's base 3-4. At that time, IIRC, I with others were happy to fit Danny into our new DC's 4-3 at the 0 or 1 tech. Did not even have to work hard to do so. Then there was Des... coming off injury at 30. Some discussion of starter at the 3-tech, but assuming full recovery a useful player.

And then we go and draft not one, but two stout, yet reportedly quick DTs.

We now have 9, yes, 9 DTs on our roster. A couple can be considered DT/DE swingmen, but the DE slots are pretty full. The DTs are in the order I've handicapped them:

  1. Shelton, Danny
  2. Bryant, Desmond
  3. Ogunjobi, Larry
  4. Cooper, Xavier
  5. Meder, Jamie
  6. Wright, Gabe
  7. Lawrence-Stample, Nile
  8. Brantley, Caleb
  9. Coley, Trevon

At most we carry five? Clearly one looks sacrificial, Coley. Then maybe there's Lawrence-Stample, but he was a well-regarded late pick in 2016. Then there's Brantley, who is in an "iffy" class by himself, but we're full up here. Even should these three all go, and Stample , more need to go as well.

So my questions are:

  • Is Danny really versatile enough for Williams D?
  • Is Des young enough for our youth movement?

I have always seen Cooper listed as a DE.

But, yes, I do think that Bryant may be on thin ice because of age, injury.

But...he does have ONE thing going for him: Harvard. Sashi may not want to see his home boy go home.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/704171https://brownsboard.com/post/704171Mon, 01 May 2017 15:10:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Impacts of Our 2017 Draft on Our 53-man Roster on Mon, 01 May 2017 15:08:13 GMT]]>I'm interested to see where guys like Orchard and Schobert end up either at DL or LB. Also, There are a lot of offensive lineman depth that the Browns seemed to really like. I'm curious as to how many they keep moving forward. Guys such as Reiter, Fabiano, Greco, Drango..not even mentioning Erving and Coleman.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/704168https://brownsboard.com/post/704168Mon, 01 May 2017 15:08:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Impacts of Our 2017 Draft on Our 53-man Roster on Mon, 01 May 2017 14:19:34 GMT]]>

@cainedesoulis said:

Actually sorry i am wrong he only keeps 8-9 DL and 6 LB

Feels more typical... but still a little high for the 53... especially for a 4-man DL. Somewhere you'd like to double up who a backup is backing up. and get by with 7. LBs get the advantage of being needed on S/Ts.

@mld-woody said:

And now one of those 5s is a hybrid that might allow us to do more 4-3 stuff without subs. Like how he was used in College

Downside? If he's injured, then he requires two backups. Or if there's an injury to one of his position-mates, his utilization can be restricted.

@wargograw said:

What's Danny's value if we just got picks for him?

Good question... coming off a coming out season including a pro bowl? Maybe a 2nd and change with one or both "conditional"?

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/704143https://brownsboard.com/post/704143Mon, 01 May 2017 14:19:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Impacts of Our 2017 Draft on Our 53-man Roster on Mon, 01 May 2017 12:47:50 GMT]]>When do they assign numbers to the new players? There was a picture of Kizer holding up a Browns #17, but we know Garrett cannot have #15 in the NFL.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/704121https://brownsboard.com/post/704121Mon, 01 May 2017 12:47:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Impacts of Our 2017 Draft on Our 53-man Roster on Mon, 01 May 2017 06:45:20 GMT]]>What's Danny's value if we just got picks for him?

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