@bob806 said:

And notice that while his contemporaries were below a 1:1 ratio of TDs to Ints, Otto Graham was significantly above that ratio:

Otto Graham 174/135

Waterfield 97/128

Bobby Layne 196/245

Van Brocklin 173/178

Sammy Baugh 187/203

Sid Luckman 137/132

@nickers said:

I'm more inclined to believe it's an assigned, shortcut key by this point...

@the-gipper said:

Dudes, Kessler is dead man walking. You don't draft Black Tarkenton if you are intending on sticking it out with Cody. Kessler is going to get destroyed this season. Physically AND emotionally. Hue fucked this kid in the ass.

OK, now..who is the "Black Tarkenton?" I thought it was supposed to be RGIII.....and now it is someone else? Kizer? Cam Newton? Russell Wilson? DeShaun Watson? In confusing yourself Ghoolie you are also confusing the rest of us.

I think He just likes typing 'Black tarkentons" LOL...

@the-gipper said:

Wow on those stats but honestly, I'd take Staubach & Stabler with the game on the line any day. One of my favorite games was when Stabler beat the Dolphins in a 1974 playoff game. And they called Roger "Captain Comeback" for a reason.

I'm going to do some digging on Stabler, I wonder if all those INTs piled up after he went to New Orleans and Houston.

OK, now..who is the "Black Tarkenton?" I thought it was supposed to be RGIII.....and now it is someone else? Kizer? Cam Newton? Russell Wilson? DeShaun Watson? In confusing yourself Ghoolie you are also confusing the rest of us.

@bob806 said:

Well, here is a thing: ALL QBs back in the 60s/70s and early 80s had TD to INT ratios of about 1:1. It is only since the mid 80s that the TD to Int. ratios have gone way down..or is it up? Here are some of the TD to Int. ratios of HOF QBs from back in that day:

Joe Namath 173 TDs 220 Ints

Bradshaw 212/210

Jurgenson 255/189

Starr 152/138

Staubach 153/109

Griese 192/172

Tarkenton 342/266 (White Tarkenton, that is)

Dawson 239/183

Stabler 194/222

Blanda 236/277

Fouts 254/242

Going back a bit further:

Otto Graham 174/135

John Unitas 290/252

Waterfield 97/128

Bobby Layne 196/245

Van Brocklin 173/178

Sammy Baugh 187/203

Sid Luckman 137/132

None of these numbers would be acceptable in this day and age, Fair to say?

And look at these:

Aikman 165/141

Elway 300/226

Favre 508/336

Kelly 237/175

Marino 420/252

Montana 237/139

Moon 291/233

Kurt Warner 208/128

Steve Young 232/107

Brady 452/152

Eli 320/215

Peyton 539/251

Ben R. 301/160

All recent QBs with fairly significant above 1:1 ratios.

@browns1216 said:

Poor Kessler. I hope he is able to gut it out and become the Browns' franchise QB, but this reminds me a bit of Colt McCoy's situation. McCoy came in and did the best he could with what he had to work with, he had one year of Peyton Hillis but no receivers (MoMass and Greg "Stonehands" Little did him no favors), and repeatedly got clobbered. I hope he finds success some day.

Kessler did decent but again, there was a lack of offensive (and defensive) weapons. Since the Browns were always playing from behind due to the poor defense, other teams knew the Browns had to rely on Kessler's arm to score points. They just had to blitz every time and since the Browns did not have a running back or TE who could block, it was easy to overwhelm the O-line and destroy Kessler. Kessler held on to the ball too long, but his receivers could not get open a lot of the time. Hopefully things will change this season. I'd much rather let Kessler lead than Osweiler. Osweiler has too slow of a windup and makes too many dumb decisions.

What you said about the Ostrich also may apply to Kizer. We shall see.

Kessler did decent but again, there was a lack of offensive (and defensive) weapons. Since the Browns were always playing from behind due to the poor defense, other teams knew the Browns had to rely on Kessler's arm to score points. They just had to blitz every time and since the Browns did not have a running back or TE who could block, it was easy to overwhelm the O-line and destroy Kessler. Kessler held on to the ball too long, but his receivers could not get open a lot of the time. Hopefully things will change this season. I'd much rather let Kessler lead than Osweiler. Osweiler has too slow of a windup and makes too many dumb decisions.

...no clue what Kessler will become.....if I had to guess, our backup...but that's being harsh on him based on last year.

Remember, his 1st pass in an NFL game (pre season) was for a TD. (he later blindly ran out the back of the end zone for a safety)

Paul McDonald took over the QB spot when Sipe left for the USFL. If I recall, McDonald had 3 or 4 pick 6's alone in 1984,most of them in the 4th quarter.

McDonald's best work was with USC, handing off to Charles White as it turned out. Sipe was lured to the USFL with big money, and the Browns didn't match it. On the bright side of the McDonald "era," it lead to the hiring of Marty, brought Kosar & Danielson here, and exciting (yet ultimately disappointing) times back in the 80s.

57-55 as a starting QB

1944/3439

23,713 yards

154 career TD passes.