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@mjp28 said:

There's also a book which I was gifted when it was new... good, light read.

A number of the effects the show used were developed by the local, technical crew.

https://www.amazon.com/Ghoulardi-Inside-Cleveland-Wildest-Ride/dp/1886228183

@tour2ma said:

Ah... plus the local PBS channel was UHF, too... wasn't it? Channel 25?

Random brain cell alert: Just flashed back to watching the Akron Goodyears, a men's semi-pro, basketball league on Sundays around noon.

Thanks for the link. Open reel tape of TV audio... gotta love it. Once upon a time I had audio of a few Ghoulardi shows that I recorded of an Olsen Electronics open reel.

Yup 25 it was.. and I believe there was a 55 for a brief period.

@mjp28 said:

Ah yes, turn blue, the short life of Ghoulardi

....I just watched it again, priceless small market 1960s TV.

@nickers said:

Ah... plus the local PBS channel was UHF, too... wasn't it? Channel 25?

Random brain cell alert: Just flashed back to watching the Akron Goodyears, a men's semi-pro, basketball league on Sundays around noon.

Thanks for the link. Open reel tape of TV audio... gotta love it. Once upon a time I had audio of a few Ghoulardi shows that I recorded of an Olsen Electronics open reel.

@tour2ma said:

lol... I grew up near the Parmatown Shopping Center on Ridgewood Dr. Behind the shopping center was Day Dr. and on Day Dr. were the studios of WUAB Channel 43 (IIRC), one of the first UHF channels I can remember.

Anyway... Every Saturday WUAB had a wrestling show and one of the strongest rivalries was between Ernie Ladd and Johnny Powers.

Don't forget Snell... 100+ yards rushing and the Jets only TD.

My Uncle loved the AFL's higher-scoring, air game. And when the league breaks thru in SB III they do it with a ground attack and D... go figure.

Beverly had two of the INTs and didn't sniff the MVP.

The other UHF channel was 61 Call letters WKBF

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8nume

@tour2ma said:

lol... I grew up near the Parmatown Shopping Center on Ridgewood Dr. Behind the shopping center was Day Dr. and on Day Dr. were the studios of WUAB Channel 43 (IIRC), one of the first UHF channels I can remember.

Anyway... Every Saturday WUAB had a wrestling show and one of the strongest rivalries was between Ernie Ladd and Johnny Powers.

Don't forget Snell... 100+ yards rushing and the Jets only TD.

My Uncle loved the AFL's higher-scoring, air game. And when the league breaks thru in SB III they do it with a ground attack and D... go figure.

Beverly had two of the INTs and didn't sniff the MVP.

And Namath didn't throw a pass in the 4th quarter. They knew how to beat the Colts who embarrassed the BROWNS in the previous game.

Anyway... Every Saturday WUAB had a wrestling show and one of the strongest rivalries was between Ernie Ladd and Johnny Powers.

@texasag1969 said:

Yep, it was still a joke all the way up until Namath to Sauer and 4 defensive interceptions proved otherwise.

Don't forget Snell... 100+ yards rushing and the Jets only TD.

My Uncle loved the AFL's higher-scoring, air game. And when the league breaks thru in SB III they do it with a ground attack and D... go figure.

Beverly had two of the INTs and didn't sniff the MVP.

@texasag1969 said:

I remember Paul Lowe and Keith Lincoln and Big Cat Ernie Ladd..and a few others from that early Chargers team. And Jack Kemp and Cookie Gilchrist from the Bills. And thinking they were all the shit.

That is why I still have somewhat of a soft spot for those two teams.

That, and the fact that neither has won a title since those AFL days.

@tour2ma said:

Yep, it was still a joke all the way up until Namath to Sauer and 4 defensive interceptions proved otherwise.

I watched very little AFL football as a kid. It was that "inferior", other league.

Had an Uncle tho that loved it. Fall Sunday visits to his house included Curt Gowdy and Al DeRogatis... who I had never heard of.

@tour2ma said:

I don't remember any r/w/b footballs...

I've seen old film of white footballs used for night games.

@stinkhole said:

@buck-the-frowns said:

It just changed the money.....and how it was divided into divisions.....it didn't change the way the game per se was changed.

@tour2ma said:

I don't remember any r/w/b footballs...

I've seen old film of white footballs used for night games.

Nice, I see that and picture Joe Willie Namath. (besides what kid wouldn't want to chuck one of those around in the backyard, come to think about it Joe Willie was a big kid)

I've seen old film of white footballs used for night games.

@texasag1969 said:

'bout the same as aba r, w & b basketball.

Well now I must be misremembering things because I searched online and can't even find a pic of one, but I remember a friend having one and us passing it in his yard. And I do also remember the ABA basketballs.

@buck-the-frowns said:

'bout the same as aba r, w & b basketball.

@tour2ma said:

Also a matter of a generalized "Modern Era" vs. "QB Modern Era"...

Actually that ended in '67. The leagues merged their drafts before they "merged".

Forgot that, you are correct! The merger really took place over about five years or so, concluding in 1970.

Wonder what a red,white, and blue football is worth these days?

@buck-the-frowns said:

And 1970 was when the bidding wars ended.

Actually that ended in '67. The leagues merged their drafts before they "merged".

@the-gipper said:

@stinkhole said:

Rule changes to promote the passing game and a 16 game schedule? That's it?

Well duh...doesn't anyone see that perhaps rule changes in 1978 to promote the passing is why these supposedly greatest QB's played after, well...1978!

What if these changes were made when Otto played?

He would have won a dozen titles. Part of the 1978 rule changes included much greater QB protection...in addition to the elimination of the bump and run. Though note: OG did run what was the precursor of the West Coast Offense.

It only makes sense that the modern era would have started with the formation of the new league in 1970 and the emergence of the championship game that became known as the Super Bowl 3 years earlier.

Plus...

Gallup polling shows the NFL became America's #1 sport in 1972; it's been #1 ever since, and currently beats baseball about three to one when people are asked what their "favorite sport" is.

The merger and the creation of the Super Bowl, to me, had nothing to do with the way the game was played per se, on the field. All that did was add a level to the playoffs and change division structures. The game in the early 70s was really not much different that the way the game was played going back to WWII. Another level of playoffs was instituted later as well.

The 1978 rules changes DID far more to change the game itself...in how it was played...on the field. I think that is the point here of this article.

Ok, so this discussion is based on the premise that changes in the way the game is what defines "the modern era".

I was debating what the "modern era" actually means.

This writer is of the opinion that the modern era started in 1960 which of course would include the browns.

https://fansided.com/2015/02/21/nfl-top-30-teams-modern-era/

Wiki alludes to 1970, then talks about changes in the game later in the decade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_National_Football_League

@the-gipper said:

Well....again, nothing about the AFL-NFL merger changed how the game was played. Not at all. No more than the AAFC/NFL merger likely changed the game. Maybe that is the time that the "modern era" of football started. It was at that time that Paul Brown brought a lot of innovations in the way the game was run/managed/played.

Or, maybe it is not 1970....but 1960 when the modern era began....that is when the AFL was formed...and the bidding wars began.

And 1970 was when the bidding wars ended. True there were no major rules changes that year but that was the beginning of the unified TV deals and so forth, that led to the NFL being the billion dollar industry it is today. And that has changed the game as much as any rules change.