@dutch-oven said:

I'm still not convinced that the Browns don't take a QB with their first pick next draft.

And there's no need to be at this point... long way to go to the 2018 Draft.

@unsympathetic said:

Betcha he throws it a lot farther in the air before he's done... Frankly, it looked like he was putting it in exactly the right spot, NOT just "heaving and praying"

On the 2nd deep ball... the 4th down TD pass, yes... much more "controlled" throw arriving very close to "in stride".

But the first one? No... it was muscled. And the WR had to pull up and wait on it almost letting the DB back into the play.

@orion said:

Betcha he throws it a lot farther in the air before he's done... Frankly, it looked like he was putting it in exactly the right spot, NOT just "heaving and praying"

@jcam222 said:

I'm still not convinced that the Browns don't take a QB with their first pick next draft.

@tour2ma said:

Yeah, it DID look like he was heaving it as far as he could.

@orion said:

57 doesn't suck... especially compared to the 45's we've seen in Kess and Hoyer, but it's not quite what I was expecting... especially not the way he got behind that throw.

@tour2ma said:

Yeah I noticed that too. I think the announcers made a comment about him having no trouble throwing it that far (flick of the wrist or something along those lines) and thinking that it looked to me about as far as he could throw to me. Maybe he put it at a high angle?

@flyin-j said:

The key, ball-security change held up surprisingly well in his first action. He kept two hands on the ball even thru most of his pocket movement. The lone exception was as soon as he decided to run the ball when he left it exposed for a couple strides before tucking it away.

That said the next step... and a more difficult one it is... is to eliminate his need to pat the ball to trigger his motion. It's a tenth of a second wasted with the ball exposed.

Camp Attendees: If you can, please note if he pats the ball in drills, or if they are working on eliminating it.

One other note... I was a little surprised that his first deep ball, the one to the 1-ydline, looked to be at the limit of his arm at 57 yd in the air... and that was moving forward with everything behind the throw. Into the wind?

@calfoxwc said:

and where did they rate the josh mccown over the shoulder throw for 50+ yards in the jets game? and the bullet TD throw

HMMMMMMM.... fake news.

@ghoolie said:

Yeah...... you hand the fucking team over to the guy who is going to eventually lead it. Simple.

@ghoolie said:

Key word being 'eventually'.

Let's see what your 'pal' Hue does. He's supposed to announce Monday night's starter today.

@orion said:

Yeah...... you hand the fucking team over to the guy who is going to eventually lead it. Simple.

@ghoolie said:

...and I STILL don't think that you hand a starting position to a player before they've earned it. Especially the most important position there is.

Does Kizer have the playbook down pat? How's he lookin' in practice compared to the others. My view from New England is obstructed. Perhaps you can see better from Memphis.

He had a nice outing with the 3's against the Saints 3's. A confidence builder for sure.

I wouldn't throw him out there with the 1's against the Giants on espn in the national spotlight unless I was QUITE sure that he was ready. There really is no need to RUSH him into it and possibly destroy the good that came from the Saints game.

Do I think that he has the most upside of all of our QB's? Well, based on the Saints game it sure looks it. He seemed to slide around in the pocket quite nicely. He made some nice throws. He threw the ball at a receiver's feet when it was called for. He looked good. But he also never seemed to look anywhere other than his first read nor did he ever look a DB off of his real target.

I understand that you don't learn how to ride a bike by sitting on the park bench watching other people pedal around. But let's not rush out there into heavy city traffic either.

@ghoolie said:

The primary reason Brock is on the team is Cleveland essentially "bought" a second round pick at the price of his $16 million salary- something only Cleveland could afford. We can cut the guy tomorrow, and it's no loss. Keeping the Ostrich around is a minor head scratcher compared to the general amazement that Cam "turnstile" Erving continues to waste a roster spot. The guy has stunk at every o-line position they've tried him at.

And if you want to talk moron- talk about the Texans giving the Browns BOTH their first AND second round picks in 2018. They had better pray Deshawn Watson is their QBOTF- or they're screwed.

@ghoolie said:

FIFY..You play Macho Man Salvage, but Mama's Boy re-named to Mitchell is ok..try cross dressing when ya hit the Vegas strip

@gumby73 said:

A great part of the reason I have achieved the success I have is exactly because of my "repeated act". Being correct is not enough. Persistence and the motivation of knowing that you are always right, is what irritates so many. I get it, you fucktards hope and pray, you make up all kinds of scenarios to convince yourself that the shit you just watched is ACTUALLY great news,

I am, to this board, to Browns fans, the equivalent of the young kid you blurted out " The King Has No Clothes".

@ghoolie said:

@ghoolie said:

it was ice water to a man stranded in the desert.

Let's jackoff together with Brock AssOiler. .......Let's instead not focus on the best guy a big, dumb, FogHorn Leghorn, Forrest Gump, Tim Couch/Herman Munster

WTF is this cocksucker even doing on the Browns team? not only acquire this big, dumb, ree-tarded dimwit motherfucker,

Hue Jackson is a fucking moron among morons.

Brock Ass Oiler, Fucking moron.

and then there is this..take your repeated act to your desert bunker in Vegas, Marshawn Lynch may need you this season. We'll start donating your ice water

And there it is there!

@calfoxwc said:

Yes... more than pretty nice.................. it was ice water to a man stranded in the desert. But never mind that. Never mind that this kid is the only QB we have who can actually be the QB of the future. Never mind that he has greater physical skills than all the other jack off QBs combined.............

Let's jackoff together with Brock AssOiler. Let's not realize that you get to live once and should always reach for the stars.............Let's instead not focus on the best guy and waste camp, classroom time and snaps on a big, dumb, FogHorn Leghorn, Forrest Gump, Tim Couch/Herman Munster of a dimwit who holds on to the fucking ball too long.

WTF is this cocksucker even doing on the Browns team? What kind of a HC and GREAT MONEY BALL BRAINTRUST not only acquire this big, dumb, ree-tarded dimwit motherfucker, let alone waste 25% ofcamp and preseason letting him run the fucking team?

Hue Jackson is a fucking moron among morons.

Brock Ass Oiler, that's who won the start according to our jackoff head coach.

Fucking moron.

Kizer's TD throw was #5. That was pretty nice to see that.