@d-bone said:

Hopefully Garrett is a stud, and really he has to be with all of the accolades of being a once in a decade talent and being the #1 pick, anything else is a bust. 

As for Bosa, yea he's better than average.... he's adequate. 

Well played. 

@tiamat63 said:

Still called Joey Bosa "average".         

....  just throwin' that out there.  

Hopefully Garrett is a stud, and really he has to be with all of the accolades of being a once in a decade talent and being the #1 pick, anything else is a bust. 

As for Bosa, yea he's better than average.... he's adequate. 

@d-bone said:

He looks adequate so far, but nowhere near what the Cleveland press reported during camp..... Didn't say bust, just said overrated - so far.

Time will tell if he is the next Bruce Smith or Courtney Brown. 

Still called Joey Bosa "average".         

....  just throwin' that out there.  

And I wasn't kidding about the "arm flailing"... have to draw the zebras attention to the foul.

@calfoxwc said:

EXACTLY. Flowers was desperately grabbing Garrett by the shoulder, etc, trying desperately to slow him down. No calls. I couldn't

believe it. He was nearly tackling Garrett, and no freaking holding calls? that just doesn't sit well with me. I don't get it.

I became so used to that way of handling him in the SEC, I thought it had become normalized to the NFL as well. Coaches are going to have to work on refs before play even starts by showing videos on their iphones about the measures desperate OTs are taking with him regularly. And Myles is so used to it he just does not complain. That hands to the face you see in the article got even worse as that play progressed and it wasn't called either.

@texasag1969 said:

And  here is someone who agrees with exactly what I said during and after the game. Flowers was holding/bulldogging by the neck every damn play. They didn't call it so he kept right on doing it.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/giants-ereck-flowers-holds-own-against-myles-garrett-1.14081619

EXACTLY. Flowers was desperately grabbing Garrett by the shoulder, etc, trying desperately to slow him down. No calls. I couldn't

believe it. He was nearly tackling Garrett, and no freaking holding calls? that just doesn't sit well with me. I don't get it.

what im concerned about are teams double teaming garrett and no one on the other side to make them pay for it

@jrb12711 said:

-I'm not worried about all the penalties on the OL. I'm hopeful this Saturday all the starters can play at least a bit.

Agree... I want to see Joe out there alongside Bito, who supposedly is now moving around well. 1st team OL for at least one quarter.

@texasag1969 said:

And  here is someone who agrees with exactly what I said during and after the game. Flowers was holding/bulldogging by the neck every damn play. They didn't call it so he kept right on doing it. http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/giants-ereck-flowers-holds-own-against-myles-garrett-1.14081619

Myles needs lessons in drawing attention to the holds... flailing arms is one solid technique.

http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Defense-steals-the-show-in-preseason-Game-Two-106389808?utm_source=247Sports Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=170822_140716_Cleveland Browns Newsletter&utm_content=Image&liveconnect=1B-C2-1E-69-15-F3-1E-26-47-C2-FB-AF-1F-3D-14-30170822_140716ClevelandBrownsNewsletter

@the-gipper said:

Who was wearing #30?

#30 Kindred..#31 is Wilds?.. #26 Marcus Burley..give it up to Dayes..  Brantley, nothing in the books..but kept LB's clean to make tackle & turned many plays the other way..The other LB they like to replace Tank is James Burgess..3 solo tackles lastnite..   

@d-bone said:

He looks adequate so far, but nowhere near what the Cleveland press reported during camp..... Didn't say bust, just said overrated - so far.

Time will tell if he is the next Bruce Smith or Courtney Brown. 

And  here is someone who agrees with exactly what I said during and after the game. Flowers was holding/bulldogging by the neck every damn play. They didn't call it so he kept right on doing it.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/giants-ereck-flowers-holds-own-against-myles-garrett-1.14081619

@gumby73 said:

F Brady..Dayes wears #27..Heard on radio Dayes was 29th RB off the board..Well they wrong.. He went 26th..Duke Johnson won't give up #29 but he can have it..Who's wearing #26..give it up..https//www.espn.com/nfl/draft/positions/_/position/rb

Who was wearing #30?

@clevfan4life said:

how does Garrett look "overrated"? I'm not sure I saw him get stopped in his tracks one time yesterday. He's taking the shortest corner to the QB than of our 2nd and 3rd year pass rushers. And he's not getting moved blown around in the run game. So for "game number 2" of his career....not too fucking shabby. 

He looks adequate so far, but nowhere near what the Cleveland press reported during camp..... Didn't say bust, just said overrated - so far.

Time will tell if he is the next Bruce Smith or Courtney Brown. 

@the-gipper said:

Actually, I think he was the #30  RB taken....which I think is why he chose to wear uniform #30....to remind him. Isn't that sorta what Brady did with #12...he was like the #12 QB taken the year he was drafted?  Or something like that.

F Brady..Dayes wears #27..Heard on radio Dayes was 29th RB off the board..Well they wrong.. He went 26th..Duke Johnson won't give up #29 but he can have it..Who's wearing #26..give it up..https//www.espn.com/nfl/draft/positions/_/position/rb

@gumby73 said:

seemed to play like he was still protecting his back injury? taped/braced could have thrown his timing off? preseason effort? but those weren't Njoku full jump efforts before back injury at camp 

his RB coach at NCSU has a great drill to keep your pads square to the tackler. but Dayes takes it a step further with his hips also staying square but his feet can still jump cut without slowing down..Dayes was RB 29 off the board, but the kid imo was a solid #15 RB imo..Eagles went RB-Donnel Pumphrey-5'9" 176lbs. with 8.5" ball catching hands..Matt Dayes is also 5'9" but 205lbs. with 10.5" ball catching Paws..Lets see what some of these scouts see that GM's just seem to ignore  

Actually, I think he was the #30  RB taken....which I think is why he chose to wear uniform #30....to remind him. Isn't that sorta what Brady did with #12...he was like the #12 QB taken the year he was drafted?  Or something like that.

@the-gipper said:

Though...Kessler did seem to be the most accurate passer.  I believe he completed every throw he attempted. Many were just short dumpoffs, but a few had some distance to them.

Yup.  At the time I posted "And Kessler sucks too", he had fumbled the handoff to the RB giving the ball right back to the Giants.

He DID go on to complete several passes after that and actually preserved the win by getting first downs and keeping the clock going.

@browns52 said:

i see it as gruden put it last night, maybe 4-5 wins. which means yet another cellar dweller yr...

Well, coming off a 1 win season (where we also lost all 4 pre-season games) if we win 5 games this year, that would be a damn good turn around..... and one that would set us up for a 7-9 win season in '18. 

Gotta be realistic here............ 

@d-bone said:

Lots to like and dislike about last night:

The D looks to be improved from anything we've seen in recent years - Not great, but it will be better all year and that should help keep games as close as possible, especially with our anemic offense.

Duke and Garrett both looked over rated to me - based on everything I heard about the both of them in camp, I guess I just expected them to jump off the screen.

We are in trouble at the QB position - Brock looked slow and lethargic, Kizer looks exactly like a 21yr old should look, Kess looked to be the best option we have, and Hogan will be cut.

Special Teams looked good.

Peppers will be our most impactful rookie.

The defense looked fast.

Matt Dayes might already be the best RB on the team.

Haden looks D U N - Done.

Overall, we are 2-0 and even though it's only pre-season, winning is winning.

the offense better have more sustained drives this yr or the d will do their usual nosedive as the season progresses due to being on the field toooooo long...happens every yr. and with these qb's we have, i don't see many sustained drives...i see it as gruden put it last night, maybe 4-5 wins. which means yet another cellar dweller yr...

-Man, the defense may not end being top 10 but there's so much more talent and depth out there. It's so refreshing to see guys do the little things right like make form tackles, line up correctly, etc. There's obviously room for improvement but I'm pleasantly surprised. 

-Dayes looks like one of those steals of the draft. He looked like a season pro out there, made some excellent cuts.

-We won. Seriously, I know it doesn't count but let these guys get the feeling of winning is such a nice change of pace. 

-Brock Osweiler is Brandon Weeden 2.0. This guy beyond sucks, and it shows in his previous and current tape. If they truly don't feel Kizer is ready, Kessler brings more to the table than Osweiler does. Seriously, this guy just doesn't fucking have it. Kessler with a strong run game and some PAP is a much better option than this bum. 

-I'm not worried about all the penalties on the OL. I'm hopeful this Saturday all the starters can play at least a bit.

-I have to admit, I'm getting tired of all the gimmick formations. I feel like it never fools the defense and only causes miscues on the offense. Once or twice, fine. But seriously, this 10+ times a game isn't working. Hopefully this is a feeling out process though.

@atenears said:

Njoku looks stiff, maybe it is timidness, but wasn't thrilled with his route running at all.

seemed to play like he was still protecting his back injury? taped/braced could have thrown his timing off? preseason effort? but those weren't Njoku full jump efforts before back injury at camp 

@texasag1969 said:

Boy's got some balance!

his RB coach at NCSU has a great drill to keep your pads square to the tackler. but Dayes takes it a step further with his hips also staying square but his feet can still jump cut without slowing down..Dayes was RB 29 off the board, but the kid imo was a solid #15 RB imo..Eagles went RB-Donnel Pumphrey-5'9" 176lbs. with 8.5" ball catching hands..Matt Dayes is also 5'9" but 205lbs. with 10.5" ball catching Paws..Lets see what some of these scouts see that GM's just seem to ignore  

A little reading material on last night's game.

The D looks to be improved from anything we've seen in recent years - Not great, but it will be better all year and that should help keep games as close as possible, especially with our anemic offense. 

Duke and Garrett both looked over rated to me - based on everything I heard about the both of them in camp, I guess I just expected them to jump off the screen.

We are in trouble at the QB position - Brock looked slow and lethargic, Kizer looks exactly like a 21yr old should look, Kess looked to be the best option we have, and Hogan will be cut.

Special Teams looked good.

Peppers will be our most impactful rookie.

The defense looked fast.

Matt Dayes might already be the best RB on the team.

Haden looks D U N - Done. 

Overall, we are 2-0 and even though it's only pre-season, winning is winning.