@clevfan4life said:

Tj has been playing alot if 2nd and 3rd team snaps.

Plus I know one of TJ's two sacks was due to a blown blocking assignment. Both occurred in his 1st preseason game.

"Watt's first two sacks were mostly acts of circumstance. The first was a result of Giants quarterback Josh Johnson getting flushed toward Watt. The rookie did a nice job to disengage from his block to pounce on the free meal. On the second, Watt was unblocked. The play looked like a screw up on the outside by New York on what should have been a receiver screen..."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000828979/article/tj-watt-hype-train-starts-fast-with-twosack-debut

@mudfly said:

37 snaps....barely one third of a game.....but. hey, he's not living up to expectation.....(#ridiculoussourgrapes)

Lord... I hope we're not allowing 111 snaps per game. #math

@topdawg31 said:

if thats the case his ass belongs on the bench and not in the starting lineup

No DL is freed to rush the passer balls out every snap by his DC.

Some DCs may tolerate one of their players "doggin' it", but we don't have one of those.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/08/nfl-myles-garrett-cleveland-browns-preseason-buccaneers

@topdawg31 said:

never said trade him, just not seeing the best player in the draft talent yet. We've seen this production many times over in the past Warren, Brown nothing special to see here and again I'll say yet. Doesn't mean he wont be, but expected far more production from the once in a decade best player in the draft.

Well, it took Javedon Clowney a couple years to start playing up to his #1 overall status. Just hope it doesn't take Garrett that long. It might be preseason, but you can bet teams are making sure they know where Myles is on every play. 

@clevfan4life said:

3rd prevseason game mate. And no i dont remember courtney brown being around the qb this much this early. Garett doesnt even look like he's at full throttle either, at leadt not on every play. 

if thats the case his ass belongs on the bench and not in the starting lineup

@clevfan4life said:

Its not excuses. Watt has been playing 2nd and 3rd string o lines. Garett has been up against all starters. And he's still establishing his space against them. 

You have to have a certain eye for different positions to accurately judge a player. If u didnt play football than sometimes u end up judging players purely on stats. Garett is forcing early throws. He's within a few feet ofbthe QB at delivery more than anyone else on the team.....so time to trade him while his stock is highest right??

never said trade him, just not seeing the best player in the draft talent yet. We've seen this production many times over in the past Warren, Brown nothing special to see here and again I'll say yet. Doesn't mean he wont be, but expected far more production from the once in a decade best player in the draft.

@topdawg31 said:

don't make excuses, Garrett's production does not equate to #1 overall pick status. He said himself he wanted to set the rookie sack record. I'm not seeing it and he hasn't even gone up against the best LT's in the league yet. It's Greg William's D that is productive not Myles Garrett.

Its not excuses. Watt has been playing 2nd and 3rd string o lines. Garett has been up against all starters. And he's still establishing his space against them. 

You have to have a certain eye for different positions to accurately judge a player. If u didnt play football than sometimes u end up judging players purely on stats. Garett is forcing early throws. He's within a few feet ofbthe QB at delivery more than anyone else on the team.....so time to trade him while his stock is highest right??

And, while we're at it, lets compare him to a linebacker who played 97 snaps his first 2 games....

@clevfan4life said:

Tj has been playing alot if 2nd and 3rd team snaps. Myles has been taken out early in most games. Yesterday was his most pkaying time by far

don't make excuses, Garrett's production does not equate to #1 overall pick status. He said himself he wanted to set the rookie sack record. I'm not seeing it and he hasn't even gone up against the best LT's in the league yet. It's Greg William's D that is productive not Myles Garrett.

@hoorta said:

Just remember, preseason record means nothing. Lions went 4-0 preseason, and 0-16 when it counted. Pat's went 0-4, and won the Super Bowl. That said, the Browns do look much improved.

as a season ticket holder, I'll take any win PS or not

@topdawg31 said:

I hope so, if ever I wished I was wrong now is the time, The #30 pick in the draft, that went to the fucking steelers has 5 tackles, 2 sacks, 5 assists and 3 tackles for loss, Myles 2 tackles 1 sack. Please let me be wrong.

Tj has been playing alot if 2nd and 3rd team snaps. Myles has been taken out early in most games. Yesterday was his most pkaying time by far

@topdawg31 said:

not good enough, I'm expecting Gastinau, Strahan type numbers from a #1 overall pick that was touted as the best player in the draft, just not seeing it.

I hope ur trolling otherwise u might not know much about football

@mudfly said:

Bottom line.....we've given up one touch down over 3 games....we have 12 sacks......and are stuffing the run.......all of which are unheard of in Browns country......and our DB's aren't very good...

I'm not sure l would say "stuffing the run", but definitely an improvement. Still getting gashed here and there. Over pursuit may do that. Averaging 3.3 ypc against us. 

@mudfly said:

And, if you were to ask the coaches, I Garrett Tee you they would say Myles is the best we have....and is a making an impact.....stats be damned....

And Ogbah/Schobert/Nassib/Collins have benefited immensely so far. No reason to expect otherwise in regular season games.

So, as we all hoped, the DL is creating a LOT of pressure and forcing teams to react to that.....which is helping the whole team....

The difference is like a big board hitting you in the face.....do you not see it?.....

And, if you were to ask the coaches, I Garrett Tee you they would say Myles is the best we have....and is a making an impact.....stats be damned....

@topdawg31 said:

I hope so, if ever I wished I was wrong now is the time, The #30 pick in the draft, that went to the fucking steelers has 5 tackles, 2 sacks, 5 assists and 3 tackles for loss, Myles 2 tackles 1 sack. Please let me be wrong.

I'm pretty sure we made it very clear that this is a TEAM defense and that his role in the team is to create bad matchups because he draws so much attention. This team is forcing the QBs in into quick decisions while collapsing the pocket. He's doing what he was brought in to do, provide pressure every play along with his teammates. (I just saw Mud's reply too so I concur).

@topdawg31 said:

I hope so, if ever I wished I was wrong now is the time, The #30 pick in the draft, that went to the fucking steelers has 5 tackles, 2 sacks, 5 assists and 3 tackles for loss, Myles 2 tackles 1 sack. Please let me be wrong.

I think that is over simplifying things.....have they played the same # of snaps?.....is the steelers guy getting doubled on every play?....are other teams going at him, instead of away from him?.....etc etc etc....

Our D-Line is playing GREAT right now.....and the one change(outside of Williams) has been Garrett.....

I see LB's shooting gaps and getting sacks. Where are those gaps coming from, all of a sudden?.....could it be that he is tying up OL and creating opportunities that wouldnt be there otherwise?......I think so.....

@mudfly said:

Well, then he's off to a good start.....Strahan had 3 tackles and 1 sack in his first whole season.....I think Garrett will have that after a game....maybe 2.....(in fact, Strahan had 18 sacks over his first 4 years.....I say Garrett exceeds that in 2 or less)

Gastineau?.....hahahaha......Garrett will be twice the player he ever was.....no sweat....book it!

I hope so, if ever I wished I was wrong now is the time, The #30 pick in the draft, that went to the fucking steelers has 5 tackles, 2 sacks, 5 assists and 3 tackles for loss, Myles 2 tackles 1 sack. Please let me be wrong.

@gumby73 said:

I just can't get past the similarities in the pocket of another #7 that just don't play a lot...Brent Hundley

Very good comparison mechanics wise. 

@jafbf said:

Game Highlights :

Kizer Highlights :

thanks JAFBF...Game Highlights, Cory Coleman looked like a first round pick again..Kizer Highlights--I just can't get past the similarities in the pocket of another #7 that just don't play a lot...Brent Hundley.. a 5th rounder 6'3" 226 now 24..Kizer a 2nd rounder 6'4" 233 age 21..even the release is freakish similar..Sure no A. Rogers around here to stand in the way..    

@kvoethe said:

I cant remember the last 3-0 preaseason start.  I know 31 yrs ago was the last 4-0 preseason start. 

Kudos the new staff.  Nice to see the no quit mentality.  Although those guys are trying to make the team they play all 4 quarters hard.

Just remember, preseason record means nothing. Lions went 4-0 preseason, and 0-16 when it counted. Pat's went 0-4, and won the Super Bowl. That said, the Browns do look much improved.

@topdawg31 said:

not good enough, I'm expecting Gastinau, Strahan type numbers from a #1 overall pick that was touted as the best player in the draft, just not seeing it.

Well, then he's off to a good start.....Strahan had 3 tackles and 1 sack in his first whole season.....I think Garrett will have that after a game....maybe 2.....(in fact, Strahan had 18 sacks over his first 4 years.....I say Garrett exceeds that in 2 or less)

Gastineau?.....hahahaha......Garrett will be twice the player he ever was.....no sweat....book it!