@clevfan4life said:

Did ghoolie say cam erving is strong? Was that in relation to us or his nfl peers? I can get with the former but the latter......??

He was talking about his body odor.

@mark-o said:

Colt is having a great career as a backup QB.  The perfect position for him.  He's a smart guy who keeps his mouth shut and knows his role as the backup.  There's good money in being the backup QB, look how long some of those guys hang on as backups.

My niece's cousin Jason Trusnik (you may remember him- played for a year with the Browns)  had a long (10 year)  undistinguished  career as a special teamer. Sarah told me Jason has been very careful with his money. He's in his mid-30s, and set for life.  LOL- I saw Jason at Sarah's wedding, and believe me, it was all I could do to restrain myself from asking him about the inside dope on the Richie Incognito affair (Trusnik was playing ST for the 'Fins at the time).  

The only players drafted by the Browns since 1999 to make a Pro Bowl with another team are:

1. Alex Mack   2016 PB with the Falcons

2. TJ Ward 2014/15  PB with Broncos

and.....

3. DQwell Jackson 2014 Pro Bowl with the Colts. 

So....I would say that DQJ is the ONLY guy that might fit this category.  And I don't know who he was fooling in 2014 such that he made the PB.  I guess, just like here, he made a lot of tackles.  But here they were too little too late.  Always 5-10 yards downfield.  No one who has ever seen him would confuse him with guys that stuff the hole like a Butkus, Lewis, Lambert etc.

Hell, right now what I have seen of Joe Schobert doing what he has done in preseason gives me greater optimism than anything I ever saw fro DQJ.

But...I guess you can say that there was perhaps ONE guy.  (and FYI....it was the only PB he ever made....none with the Browns. I think the big thing is that he did have a fumble recovery for a TD that year...the only one of his career.   He even had years with the Browns where he made more tackles...but did not make the PB)

@mark-o said:

Colt is having a great career as a backup QB.  The perfect position for him.  He's a smart guy who keeps his mouth shut and knows his role as the backup.  There's good money in being the backup QB, look how long some of those guys hang on as backups.

Well, lets call it a career....not necessarily a "great" career.  Is it better than digging ditches or selling insurance? Sure.  And sure, absolutely good money.  But again, the standard I asked for is "played well".  Colt hasn't played well...he has hardly played at all.  Warren, Wimbley etc. played some, but not well. 

I guess we can ask a "trivia" question over this as one way to quantify it.:  Since 2000, has any player drafted by the Cleveland Browns ever made the Pro Bowl with another team...who did not leave here as a FA?

@hoorta said:

Though there were a bunch that went on to have long undistinguished careers. Jeff Faine, "Spare Change" Warren, Cam Wimbley.  PGs fave Colt McCoy is still hanging on as a backup.  But super-dooper? You got it- Mack & Ward. Ward was the only one we could have kept, but the FO dropped the ball on that one. 

Colt is having a great career as a backup QB.  The perfect position for him.  He's a smart guy who keeps his mouth shut and knows his role as the backup.  There's good money in being the backup QB, look how long some of those guys hang on as backups.

@the-gipper said:

Besides Alex Mack.....who was outstanding when he played here....can you name one player who was let go/traded by the Browns  over say the past 10 years because they just didn't cut the mustard...who went on to play extremely well elsewhere?

(by this I mean cut, let go somehow.....We have lost FAs like Mack, TJ Ward etc. so I don't mean them.)

Though there were a bunch that went on to have long undistinguished careers. Jeff Faine, "Spare Change" Warren, Cam Wimbley.  PGs fave Colt McCoy is still hanging on as a backup.  But super-dooper? You got it- Mack & Ward. Ward was the only one we could have kept, but the FO dropped the ball on that one. 

@logicisforsquares said:

He didn't play. Alex Smith isn't crippled.

Direct and proximate cause

@the-gipper said:

I only caught snippets of the game. Basically tuned in at the very end.    Did anyone catch to see how Mr. Backward Somersault did last night?   If he even played at all?

He didn't play. Alex Smith isn't crippled.

@the-gipper said:

Besides Alex Mack.....who was outstanding when he played here....can you name one player who was let go/traded by the Browns  over say the past 10 years because they just didn't cut the mustard...who went on to play extremely well elsewhere?

(by this I mean cut, let go somehow.....We have lost FAs like Mack, TJ Ward etc. so I don't mean them.)

Nope...not a one. 

@mark-o said:

They're a dime a dozen when they play for the Browns.  But once they leave the Browns and go to a different team, they have value beyond measure.

Besides Alex Mack.....who was outstanding when he played here....can you name one player who was let go/traded by the Browns  over say the past 10 years because they just didn't cut the mustard...who went on to play extremely well elsewhere?

(by this I mean cut, let go somehow.....We have lost FAs like Mack, TJ Ward etc. so I don't mean them.)

@hoorta said:

Still want to tell me OL are dime a dozen? Erving wasn't worth 1-10th of a cent. 

They're a dime a dozen when they play for the Browns.  But once they leave the Browns and go to a different team, they have value beyond measure.

@texasag1969 said:

ALL PRO CENTER..........................................................at PANCAKE HOUSE.                     "DANCING BEAR"   LOLOLOLOL1

Why Ray the Farmer got fired. 

@ghoolie said:

Cam Erving will play well for KC. He has size, speed and strength. He also has a great attitude towards the team.

Cam Erving is a kid, he is like a fast, clumsy, lanky puppy who hasn't yet grown into his shell. The guy has a shit load of upside and the Browns will regret letting him go. Go ahead, laugh at him falling on his ass, and missing blocks. Just don't forget, it was Ghoolie that told you Erving will make a nice addition in KC.

Still want to tell me OL are dime a dozen? Erving wasn't worth 1-10th of a cent. 

@ghoolie said:

Cam Erving will play well for KC. He has size, speed and strength. He also has a great attitude towards the team.

Cam Erving is a kid, he is like a fast, clumsy, lanky puppy who hasn't yet grown into his shell. The guy has a shit load of upside and the Browns will regret letting him go. Go ahead, laugh at him falling on his ass, and missing blocks. Just don't forget, it was Ghoolie that told you Erving will make a nice addition in KC.

Puppies have shells?

And again I'll take your action on this...

@ghoolie said:

Cam Erving will play well for KC. He has size, speed and strength. He also has a great attitude towards the team.

Cam Erving is a kid, he is like a fast, clumsy, lanky puppy who hasn't yet grown into his shell. The guy has a shit load of upside and the Browns will regret letting him go. Go ahead, laugh at him falling on his ass, and missing blocks. Just don't forget, it was Ghoolie that told you Erving will make a nice addition in KC.

@nickers said:

Passing out donuts to the rest of the bench..

LMAO

@ghoolie said:

Cam Erving will play well for KC. He has size, speed and strength. He also has a great attitude towards the team.

Cam Erving is a kid, he is like a fast, clumsy, lanky puppy who hasn't yet grown into his shell. The guy has a shit load of upside and the Browns will regret letting him go. Go ahead, laugh at him falling on his ass, and missing blocks. Just don't forget, it was Ghoolie that told you Erving will make a nice addition in KC.

Passing out donuts to the rest of the bench..

Cam Erving is a kid, he is like a fast, clumsy, lanky puppy who hasn't yet grown into his shell. The guy has a shit load of upside and the Browns will regret letting him go. Go ahead, laugh at him falling on his ass, and missing blocks. Just don't forget, it was Ghoolie that told you Erving will make a nice addition in KC.

@stillmotion said:

I shall forever remember how great "Killa Cam" was 

Ray Farmer,

what a genius

At least his ankles hold up.

@miktoxic said:

or FLOOGIE.

Too close to Flugel...

How about Ghloatie?

@the-gipper said:

Flounder...it was said about Flounder.   Are you trying to give Ghoolie a new nickname?  We could just start calling him Flounder.

or FLOOGIE.

@nickers said:

About all Scam could show them is how to eat cream puffs...

Or, in the case of the fact that he is going to be in KC....BBQ and cornbread.

@the-gipper said:

What is it that you have seen out of Erving that give you the belief that he will have an impressive season for KC?  (You made the statement...now back it up)

About all Scam could show them is how to eat cream puffs...