@lbc-mike said:

... plain ass offense...

This is becoming a very popular criticism. On what is it based?

@westside-steve said:

I have to be consistent here.

Ah.... you're the one!

@poeticg said:

We are wasting our time playing with Kizer. 

The Browns could be 2-0 if Hogan was starting... and winning the division. 

Are you trolling us or do you actually believe this?  And if you actually believe this are you related to Kevin Hogan?  Or owe him money?  Or are you Kevin Hogan with a fake profile?  Or are you just hoping you can swipe right on him some day?  

If he stinks up the joint at the end of the next four games there is reason for concern.

And the backup quarterback is always the most popular guy on the team.

WSS

@mudfly said:

I agree.....I think Kizer will improve.....but dont see any help coming from that receiver corps.....

OL?......verdict is still out.....our 2 problem positions(RT & C) have a (loooooooong) way to go yet.........

Tretter was much better this week

@dawg2fan said:

The difference is Kizer's a rookie and only played in 2 games.  Not to mention he played in perhaps the two toughest of teams we'll face.  The team will get better down the road and he will play better.   Also the Oline will get better as well.  

How is that a "difference"? For all intents and purposes, Hogan is a rookie too.

@dawg2fan said:

The difference is Kizer's a rookie and only played in 2 games.  Not to mention he played in perhaps the two toughest of teams we'll face.  The team will get better down the road and he will play better.   Also the Oline will get better as well.  

I agree.....I think Kizer will improve.....but dont see any help coming from that receiver corps.....

OL?......verdict is still out.....our 2 problem positions(RT & C) have a (loooooooong) way to go yet.........

@wargograw said:

I like Hogan's arm and confidence better than Kizer's. I love Kizer's pocket presence though. 

The difference is Kizer's a rookie and only played in 2 games.  Not to mention he played in perhaps the two toughest of teams we'll face.  The team will get better down the road and he will play better.   Also the Oline will get better as well.  

@hoorta said:

Gip, I did notice- and posted about it when Deshone was at ND, that I didn't like his accuracy, and poor decision making. If he can grow out of those two flaws, we're going to have a real long term qb. His arm strength is not debatable, but that's not going to get you to the HOF. Reference: Weeden, Brandon. Anderson, Derek. 

Wonder if it's ever crossed Ghoolie's mind- maybe the reason Kizer is holding onto the ball too long is because he's looking for an open, or potentially open WR and can't find one from our stellar (NOT!) WR crew.      

Accuracy issues and decision making...yes, those were issues that many (not necessarily gh.) had stated. Holding the ball to long? Never heard that by anyone.  Yea, he may be holding the ball too long because our WRs are shite and can't get open...and because he has not yet learned he has to anticipate most of his throws...and because he does not read the hot or checkdown guys. 

@the-gipper said:

Well....I think that is a big fat lie.  I don't think you "told us" any such thing.  You are just trying to say ex post facto that you told us when you didn't. Provide a link to any post you made before the preseason where you claimed that he held the ball too long.   (and, yet...again...even if you do...so what? He really should just be a fucking Junior in college now.. not starting for an NFL team.  He can grow out of it.)

Gip, I did notice- and posted about it when Deshone was at ND, that I didn't like his accuracy, and poor decision making. If he can grow out of those two flaws, we're going to have a real long term qb. His arm strength is not debatable, but that's not going to get you to the HOF. Reference: Weeden, Brandon. Anderson, Derek. 

Wonder if it's ever crossed Ghoolie's mind- maybe the reason Kizer is holding onto the ball too long is because he's looking for an open, or potentially open WR and can't find one from our stellar (NOT!) WR crew.      

@poeticg said:

Keep dreaming on what Kizer "might" turn into one day instead of what he actually is - a turnover machine.

Well, we don't have to dream about what YOU might turn into one day....as it has already happened.  I am just trying to find the right word for it:.

All I can say is that it is kind of in the Norman Bates, John Hinckley, Annie Wilkes shit.

@ghoolie said:

Jeez, who was it that told you before the cocksucker even suited up that he holds the ball too long? WHo was it that told you before the preseason that Hogan has the quickest release of any of our QBs.

Problem? The Browns are supposedly building for the future. Hogan goes on Medicare in 8 months.

Well....I think that is a big fat lie.  I don't think you "told us" any such thing.  You are just trying to say ex post facto that you told us when you didn't. Provide a link to any post you made before the preseason where you claimed that he held the ball too long.   (and, yet...again...even if you do...so what? He really should just be a fucking Junior in college now.. not starting for an NFL team.  He can grow out of it.)

@hoorta said:

Please- you're hallucinating about wins with Hogan... Kizer keeps having 4 turnover games with a 20 something qbr- you'll get your wish- eventually. 

& when I was looking up Kizer's stats on nfl.com- the first play on the screen was Hogan's pass that Duke Jonson had to make a highlight reel catch on with one hand falling backwards. I'm glad we have Kevin- if Hogan is as good as you think he is, and Kizer continues to be an inaccurate, turnover prone arm cannon type of guy- Hogan will get his chance to start. I'm not willing to call Deshone a bust after 2 games, and about no one else is either. 

But, with about 3-4 top level qbs likely in the 2018 draft, we HAVE to see if Kizer is the QBOTF. 

You could've stopped after hallucinating...because we all know he's living in some warped fantasyland where Richardson is Marshawn Lynch and Kevin Hogan is Joe Montana and someday Puffy Gordon is going to come back and play for the Browns.  

Hogan is what he is....he's Colt McCoy and he's Cody Kessler.   Nice guys to have around as a backup but he aint the long term answer.   Kizer may not be either but you're right, can't make that decision after only 2 games against 2 really good defenses.

@poeticg said:

We are wasting our time playing with Kizer. 

The Browns could be 2-0 if Hogan was starting... and winning the division. 

Please- you're hallucinating about wins with Hogan... Kizer keeps having 4 turnover games with a 20 something qbr- you'll get your wish- eventually. 

& when I was looking up Kizer's stats on nfl.com- the first play on the screen was Hogan's pass that Duke Jonson had to make a highlight reel catch on with one hand falling backwards. I'm glad we have Kevin- if Hogan is as good as you think he is, and Kizer continues to be an inaccurate, turnover prone arm cannon type of guy- Hogan will get his chance to start. I'm not willing to call Deshone a bust after 2 games, and about no one else is either. 

But, with about 3-4 top level qbs likely in the 2018 draft, we HAVE to see if Kizer is the QBOTF. 

@poeticg said:

We are wasting our time playing with Kizer. 

The Browns could be 2-0 if Hogan was starting... and winning the division. 

So after 3 plays this is what you are concluding?

The Browns could be 2-0 if Hogan was starting... and winning the division. 

@poeticg said:

Kevin has an excellent NFL arm. Kevin can make mistakes. Kevin will win. 

Jimmy like Kevin. Jimmy is Kevin's friend.

@ghoolie said:

Problem? The Browns are supposedly building for the future. Hogan goes on Medicare in 8 months.

G, Hogan is 24 years old. We should sit Kizer's baby ass on the bench and let him learn for a long, long time and see what we have in Hogan. Anybody remember Tom Brady was a 6th round pick? He and Hogan are in that same boat, only difference is apparently the Patriots can identify talent when it bites them in the ass. 

@domcucch1994 said:

So.. what do you guys make of his performance?

I think he looked good. Strong arm, accurate. Had some mistakes, but he looked promising.

Kizer holds the ball too long... But maybe he can change that..

Hogan is a good backup who might be a diamond in the rough here..

Jeez, who was it that told you before the cocksucker even suited up that he holds the ball too long? WHo was it that told you before the preseason that Hogan has the quickest release of any of our QBs.

Problem? The Browns are supposedly building for the future. Hogan goes on Medicare in 8 months.

@200lbmumford said:

Hogan:

•  51% career completion %
• 0.333 TD-Int ratio
• 5.25 yards/attempt

Not sure how he "earned" anything in the NFL?

Well...yes, he has....earned a seat riding the pine.