@wargograw said:

No doubt. This is also the guy that got a hot tub installed in his dorm as a true freshman. 

He's a fan of Van Wilder, methinks.

@wargograw said:

You know there was a whole site called "the Johnny we know" dedicated to all the stories of philanthropy and charity Johnny Manziel had done? If you had been applying to him the standards you have to Rosen, you'd have been a huge fan of his character. 

Rosen's a clown. At BEST (and it almost certainly will not be that good) he is a Phillip Rivers clone attitude-wise.

I don't see JFF in Rosen... just don't.

But could be I'm blinded by Rosen having real, NFL potential.

@wargograw said:

Which did not happen during college so is completely irrelevant to this situation. Try again. 

Is it as irrelevant as Johnny Manziel's football career is now?

@wargograw said:

You know there was a whole site called "the Johnny we know" dedicated to all the stories of philanthropy and charity Johnny Manziel had done? If you had been applying to him the standards you have to Rosen, you'd have been a huge fan of his character. 

Rosen's a clown. At BEST (and it almost certainly will not be that good) he is a Phillip Rivers clone attitude-wise.

I specifically loved the story where Manziel slammed his girlfriend's head off the door glass of his car.

Rosen's a clown. At BEST (and it almost certainly will not be that good) he is a Phillip Rivers clone attitude-wise.

@tour2ma said:

lol... winning makes friends, but also does...

• the bit in the aricle where Rosen as an incoming Frosh asked if he could move his locker from the QB section to the OL section.
• that he spent time in HS raising funds so his entire team could make the trip to Hawaii to play a game.

His handmade headband he wore while golfing at a certain individual's golf course makes me think I might have been premature on my assessment of the young man.

• the bit in the aricle where Rosen as an incoming Frosh asked if he could move his locker from the QB section to the OL section.
• that he spent time in HS raising funds so his entire team could make the trip to Hawaii to play a game.

@texasag1969 said:

Maybe in 2019 if they convince him he needs another year to mature. We don't need another JM who obviously should have stayed two more years in college.

He's not the only Browns QB who came out too early....

I think He's Manziel 2.0. He's also like the QB from that movie about the browns, "Draft Day".

He isn't exactly mature. That doesn't mean he'll be a bust, but I DONT WANT HIM.

That's like asking me if i'd rather have jimmy garrapolo or johnny manziel. I wanted Jimmy G back then, and would still take him over Rosen.

@the-gipper said:

I may still want to take a chance on him.

Maybe in 2019 if they convince him he needs another year to mature. We don't need another JM who obviously should have stayed two more years in college.

@wargograw said:

Rosen's an idiot. He doesn't even celebrate touchdowns with his teammates (or at least didn't in the A&M game). I was at the Rose Bowl and all the UCLA fans around me kept pointing out what a terrible teammate he was. 

I may still want to take a chance on him.

@tour2ma said:

Haven't seen that, but, yes, that would... depending on how far it extends.

It's one thing if a prospect participates in a certain amount of "partying"... I mean these are college kids. It's another if his game prep is less than well dedicated.

Rosen's an idiot. He doesn't even celebrate touchdowns with his teammates (or at least didn't in the A&M game). I was at the Rose Bowl and all the UCLA fans around me kept pointing out what a terrible teammate he was. 

@tour2ma said:

Haven't seen that, but, yes, that would... depending on how far it extends.

It's one thing if a prospect participates in a certain amount of "partying"... I mean these are college kids. It's another if his game prep is less than well dedicated.

Yes, it is really hard to tell if a guy who "parties" can have off field events disrupt things in his football career.  I mean, it didn't hurt this guy:

@canton-mike said:

Here's a little something on Rosen... http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/a-beautiful-brash-mind/

Holy schnikees... Definitely not #1 over material... I wouldn't go higher than #2 overall... unless I had to...

I seriously loved that article and the refreshing openness Rosen brings. Especially loved this bit from the article...

The same teenager who is allowed to start each quarterbacks meeting at UCLA with a two-minute "Josh period," where quarterbacks coach Marques Tuiasosopo sets aside time for Rosen to discuss anything on his mind before the group returns to strictly football and steers clear of "Josh tangents."

@canton-mike said:

Here's a little something on Rosen...

http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/a-beautiful-brash-mind/

Mike

Hope he does not make the same mistake of coming out early like JM. Maturity will be an issue and he's not ready yet. One more for the CFL castoff pile (CFL not taking JM).

@tour2ma said:

Haven't seen that, but, yes, that would... depending on how far it extends.

It's one thing if a prospect participates in a certain amount of "partying"... I mean these are college kids. It's another if his game prep is less than well dedicated.

Here's a little something on Rosen...

http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/a-beautiful-brash-mind/

Mike

@dutch-oven said:

Rosen really has.

I'm just troubled by the comparison to Manziel personality-wise that has been bandied about. I can't remember who originally wrote it, but it sent shivers down my spine.

Haven't seen that, but, yes, that would... depending on how far it extends.

It's one thing if a prospect participates in a certain amount of "partying"... I mean these are college kids. It's another if his game prep is less than well dedicated.

@tour2ma said:

McShay was on NFL Live yesterday. Made similar comments about Allen's year and his supporting cast to those in the article posted above. Gave a bit of same nod to Darnold, but called last week's loss at Washington State concerning. Of Rosen he simply said, "He's been the most consistent of the top QBs in the class."

Rosen really has.

I'm just troubled by the comparison to Manziel personality-wise that has been bandied about. I can't remember who originally wrote it, but it sent shivers down my spine.

@tour2ma said:

In a side note... Todd also called PSU's Barkley the best college RB since Adrian Petersen and "a freak" to be able to move the way he does at 230#. Right now Todd sees him as a top three pick.

LOL! Rest my case your honor!