@d-bone said:

Kool...... We're #1! (finally) 

All in the process...

@d-bone said:

Kool...... We're #1! (finally) 

LOL, check the power rankings this week? Easy to find the Browns, just start at the bottom and work up. Pick any one. Jimmy can't be happy with the vision Sashi and DePo sold him. "the Process" should have had us at least #27 by now. 

@tour2ma said:

Yes...unless he said something behind the scenes along the lines of "I can make a Kessler-Hogan-Kizer QB room work" and guaranteed a number of victories... yes. I don't think he said any such thing.

More so when add in the loss of Coleman and the Britt that showed up. I'd even consider retention in spite of if making the above statement.

But conditional retention...

I hope he didn't say anything like that, if he did he's as good as gone. But Tour- it's plain as mud now, barring a miracle turnaround- we're taking a qb with our first pick in 2018. Right now, it's not going to be lower than #2 overall, and almost a lead pipe lock bet it's going to be in the top 5.   

From ESPN-  "The Browns are just the fourth franchise in the Super Bowl era to start 0-7 in back-to-back seasons. Their chances to win the division are nonexistent, but their chances to "earn" the top pick in next year's draft are through the roof. The Browns are a 58.4 percent favorite to pick first, according to FPI."

@mark-o said:

Conditional retention regardless of record?   Meaning if we go 0-16 or 1-15 this season making him a 1 or 2 win coach over 2 seasons you bring him back again for a 3rd year?   And what is the conditional retention?  I'm guessing he needs to hire an OC to take over the play calling.   I guess I could live with that especially if the OC is a guy who could move into the HC role.

Yes...unless he said something behind the scenes along the lines of "I can make a Kessler-Hogan-Kizer QB room work" and guaranteed a number of victories... yes. I don't think he said any such thing.

More so when add in the loss of Coleman and the Britt that showed up. I'd even consider retention in spite of if making the above statement.

But conditional retention...

@tour2ma said:

Hue... well... I think I've been pretty clear on him. Conditional retention...

Conditional retention regardless of record?   Meaning if we go 0-16 or 1-15 this season making him a 1 or 2 win coach over 2 seasons you bring him back again for a 3rd year?   And what is the conditional retention?  I'm guessing he needs to hire an OC to take over the play calling.   I guess I could live with that especially if the OC is a guy who could move into the HC role.

@mark-o said:

I wanted Pettine and Mangini and Chud to get more time.   I wanted Shurmur fired pretty soon after he was hired.   I've tried to stay on the keep Hue train but I just don't see it getting any better. 

With you on Pet and Mangenius... Chud? Not so much... although he did attract one good coordinators  in Norv. Patsy attracted two, but if there was ever a HC doomed by his FO, it was Shurmur's death by Wheezy.

Hue... well... I think I've been pretty clear on him. Conditional retention...

@miktoxic said:

give hue a 3rd year marching tune from you assholes who couldn't wait to get of mangini or pettine after their 2nd.

hyp-o-friggin-criti-fuggin-cal 2 faced douchebags.

you deserve this bag of lit dog Sheet on your porch....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Sorry mix, I've never wanted any of our coaches to go sooner that 3 years, regardless of how badly they were doing.  We need consistency and you never know if a coach will turn things around with more time.

@the-gipper said:

Just about every tree has its rotten apple.  But what you are saying is that he doesn't even come off a tree.  More like a rotten turnip truck.

FIFY

@tour2ma said:

Yeah, it is... but IMHO it's lame to pile on the penalty decline.

Kind of an aside, but I was looking into Hue's "Coaching Tree" last week. He doesn't exactly spring from heavyweight limbs nor give rise to substantial twigs...

http://nflcoachingtrees.com/coaching-trees/hue-jackson

Just about every tree has its rotten apple.  But what you are saying is that he doesn't even come off a tree.  More like a rotten turnip.

@westside-steve said:

Many have tried and failed who are as qualified as the Cleveland Browns front office too.

Not very many have achieved this lack of success though. So far... now it's up to their salesmanship skills and not their football acumen. They have to sell the owner on another season and a half.

WSS

that's who i was talking about, the FO. the hue jackson thing, to me, is moot. he has no talent to work with. now if he's the one that is pulling these qb selections out of the hat then there is no excuse and should be gone.....today. but i find that hardly unlikely.

my basis for my earlier rant is based upon the fans who just turn like ravenous zombies on one regime because they don't like them for some reason but are willing to go the extra mile for another who's record and talent and ability to have players play hard every week is not even close.

hated mangini? i give you hue jackson. hated pettine and farmer? i give you hue jackson and these gems of talent evaluators. butch davis? jackson.

flippant asshats.

@topdawg31 said:

It's getting harder and harder not to board the Fire Hue Train.

Yeah, it is... but IMHO it's lame to pile on the penalty decline.

Kind of an aside, but I was looking into Hue's "Coaching Tree" last week. He doesn't exactly spring from heavyweight limbs nor give rise to substantial twigs...

http://nflcoachingtrees.com/coaching-trees/hue-jackson

@miktoxic said:

i get that. better men have tried and failed. i'm sure they wish the new era browns were not on their life resume and could get those years back.

plus, what are his qualifications? selling pizza?

let him stick to what he's good at.....being a d.i.c.k.

Many have tried and failed who are as qualified as the Cleveland Browns front office too.

Not very many have achieved this lack of success though. So far... now it's up to their salesmanship skills and not their football acumen. They have to sell the owner on another season and a half.

WSS

@miktoxic said:

do not know. sort of like the holmgren experiment if you ask me.

haslam just needs to hire better or bring in some local billionaire (cough lebron cough) who might be able to judge talent.

The thing about the "Holmgren experiment" is that it was not really a bad idea...it was just a bad choice of who to select.

@miktoxic said:

do not know. sort of like the holmgren experiment if you ask me.

haslam just needs to hire better or bring in some local billionaire (cough lebron cough) who might be able to judge talent.

@the-gipper said:

OK, but lets assume that Haslam does want to bring in an overseer to be DFO......and that it won't be Peyton......who could/should it be.

Because I am ready for it to happen.

do not know. sort of like the holmgren experiment if you ask me.

haslam just needs to hire better or bring in some local billionaire (cough lebron cough) who might be able to judge talent.

@miktoxic said:

i get that. better men have tried and failed. i'm sure they wish the new era browns were not on their life resume and could get those years back.

plus, what are his qualifications? selling pizza?

let him stick to what he's good at.....being a finger.

OK, but lets assume that Haslam does want to bring in an overseer to be DFO......and that it won't be Peyton......who could/should it be.

Because I am ready for it to happen.

@the-gipper said:

It may be the exact kind of challenge that Manning would want, yes.

i get that. better men have tried and failed. i'm sure they wish the new era browns were not on their life resume and could get those years back.

plus, what are his qualifications? selling pizza?

let him stick to what he's good at.....being a d.i.c.k.

@miktoxic said:

is everyone basing this peyton manning thing on his tennessee connection with haslam?

if you were manning would you want anything to do with this Sheet franchise to tarnish your 'mr. sparkling white as a bleached out towel you smack others in the butt with in the locker room' image?

puuuleeeeez.

It may be the exact kind of challenge that Manning would want, yes.

if you were manning would you want anything to do with this Sheet franchise to tarnish your 'mr. sparkling white as a bleached out towel you smack others in the butt with in the locker room' image?

puuuleeeeez.

@hempman said:

Hue is toast. I suspect Sashi to be given the title of full President and Sashi old job will be merged with Berry to create the Vice President/GM job. Then Sashi/GM will hire new head coach without Haslam playing a big role in it.

The HC will be weakened considerably in future decision making.

I think both of them may be on thin ice.  I do NOT see any promotion for these guys.  I see a demotion.  Haslam brings in Peyton Manning to be DFO....and subordinates Sachi and Berry to him. Manning brings in another veteran football mind (Polian or Polian type)...to be a consultant on the draft.

I am ready for that I think.