@ghoolie said:

Dude, I am not walking anything back. Joe Thomas has been an ineffective piece of baloney. He was a waste of a high pick, he has not favorably impacted the Browns in any measurable capacity.Give the attacks on me a rest. I don't like Joe Thomas, there is nothing irritating about my saying that.....only to people like you who idolize this guy.

Lol. You know nothing. I have been at the forefront of the trade him train for several years now. I just don't have to go out of my way to be a complete jerk about it. 

@ghoolie said:

Those teams had playmakers, They didn't have the total vacuum of playmakers the Browns did. TOTALLY different issue.

No sir. Browns dont have playmakers that part is true. But what YOU said is teams can and do win with low round linemen. You even said some one without any high round linemen.

Just admit it, you were caught saying something wrong

@ghoolie said:

Pro Bowls. WOW.............. Do those appearances relate to winning by any chance?

Yes, they often do.   But obviously there are some exceptions when you have a great player but the rest of the team sucks.  And, of course, you knew that.  You were just being disingenuous with your comment. 

@clevfan4life said:

Ur right ghoolie but the feeling in the nfl usually is that everything stsrts with the qb. Sonu can have calvin johnson on the team and it doesnt mean Sheet if the qb is on his butt 2 sec after the snap. 

Joe didnt have much of  an impact because the rest of the line was habitual garbage. Teams just moved their primary edge rushers to the right side. 

I really don't want to beat this dead horse. They guy gave his best, and he is injured, so I hope he recovers 100%. I am just not all gooey over this guy. I really think he was one dimensional and actually hurt the running game by not being a powerful run blocker. So, am I to believe that no other NFL team has a great LT or that this position takes a lifetime to fill? I just don't buy it. Joe was an average athlete who had lucky breaks with longevity.

Let's get back to players who actually can make a difference.

@gumby73 said:

10 pro bowls..6 1st Team All Pro..167 straight NFL Games..10363 straight career snaps..

 Expected Full Recovery... we will get closer to talking about Football during the off-season.7-9 month heal.Good Luck JT#73   

hope he recovers fully. Hope we trade him. Time to move on.

@wargograw said:

Yeah, you’re trying to walk it back now that I’ve called you out. But you’re degenerating into same ole worthless Ghoolie. 

Dude, I am not walking anything back. Joe Thomas has been an ineffective piece of baloney. He was a waste of a high pick, he has not favorably impacted the Browns in any measurable capacity.Give the attacks on me a rest. I don't like Joe Thomas, there is nothing irritating about my saying that.....only to people like you who idolize this guy.

@clevfan4life said:

Didnt joe thomas go to like 30 straight pro bowls? 

10 pro bowls..6 1st Team All Pro..167 straight NFL Games..10363 straight career snaps..

 Expected Full Recovery... we will get closer to talking about Football during the off-season.7-9 month heal.Good Luck JT#73   

@ghoolie said:

Dude,

I am not spewing hate and venom.  I have a strong opinion of Joe Thomas. Just because this pizzes you off doesn't mean it is disruptive or not valid. I have asked you guys over and over, demonstrate to me in terms of numbers where JT has improved the Browns. That is football talk, dude. Joe Thomas is not sacred. That i think he was a waste of a pick and a non-issue isn't being negative, it isn't trolling, and it isn't at all unacceptable for this forum. I just don't revere this guy. I don't see im as anythign special and frankly, I am glad his career in Cleveland is over. 

Enough of this guy already. He's done. Stick a fork in him. He has absolutely no impact on the Browns future There is a football game Sunday. That's where the focus should be.

Yeah, you’re trying to walk it back now that I’ve called you out. But you’re degenerating into same ole worthless Ghoolie. 

@dutch-oven said:

And the Ghoolie so many of you chose to use the "ignore" option is slowly, but surely coming back.

Who would have ever predicted this...

Look dude, again, there is nothing vile or unfair about my post. I don't like Joe Thomas. I believe he was a waste of a draft pick, I don't believe he added jack squat to the Browns, and................ 1 - 22 pretty much says, he was a waste of a drat pick. Surely a playmaker would have helped us win a few games, yes?

Again, you are pizzed off because you hate it that I am blasting this guy, BUt I am asking you in FOOTBALL terms................please, demonstrate to me in your precious analytics how JT improved the Browns. If you are telling me I am stupid for expecting that a future Hall Of Famer should have changed the fortune of his team, then I don't know what to tell you.

It would be interesting to look at offensive output BEFORE JT and after JT.

@canton-dawg said:

Merica.

... and Pugs?

@clevfan4life said:

Ikr? These same asshats would have gad wentz's picture up next to weedons by midseason with the caption "really? did none of us see this coming?"

Merica.

Who would have ever predicted this...

@clevfan4life said:

Ur gripe shouldve about every high pick we missed on since joes draft. Picking joe wasnt the problem, it was every draft after that where we missed on everything.

joes 2007 draft had peterson and lynch available, but how good would they have been on clevelands perennially bad o line? Calvin johnson was in that class but he went before our pick. Its hard to fault the browns for taking jt. If johnson were available maybe that changes. But thank god we didnt have the #1 or we would have drafted jamarcus

What screwed that draft was trading up with Dallas- and taking Brady Quinn.  The second rounder ( we gave the Cowboys) that year could have been Steve Smith. And if you really want to puke, go take a look at the talent we could have had with our first round pick in 2008 that we gave the 'Pokes in the Quinn trade. 

It's not like we haven't tried drafting QBs- we've just had an incredible string of bad luck drafting the wrong ones high. Besides the (Not) Mighty Quinn, Wee-Done, Party Animal. I greatly fear Kizer Wilhelm will be joining the list on the second row of the jersey. . Instead of Ben Rothlisberger and Aaron Rodgers. Before Ghoolie opens his yap- I was all about the Ben and Wentz trains. 

@clevfan4life said:

Ikr? These same asshats would have gad wentz's picture up next to weedons by midseason with the caption "really? did none of us see this coming?"

No way... no one gets near my Wheezy shrine! Book It!

The ginger was beyond special.

@wargograw said:

It’s really sad being subject to the cycles of Ghoolie’s life. Guy’s grieving and we get nice Ghoolie. Browns fan Ghoolie. He starts to recover and the worthless poster comes out. Really weird. 

Dude,

I am not spewing hate and venom.  I have a strong opinion of Joe Thomas. Just because this pizzes you off doesn't mean it is disruptive or not valid. I have asked you guys over and over, demonstrate to me in terms of numbers where JT has improved the Browns. That is football talk, dude. Joe Thomas is not sacred. That i think he was a waste of a pick and a non-issue isn't being negative, it isn't trolling, and it isn't at all unacceptable for this forum. I just don't revere this guy. I don't see im as anythign special and frankly, I am glad his career in Cleveland is over. 

Enough of this guy already. He's done. Stick a fork in him. He has absolutely no impact on the Browns future There is a football game Sunday. That's where the focus should be.

@clevfan4life said:

Thats so wrong ghoolie. I understand to an extent ur gripe about not having playmakers but JT was one of the greatest browns in history and he never left. Telling him to run along? Cmon dude

Look man, when it comes to athletics I believe the ancient Romans had it right. The empire provided a great life for the gladiator. Housing, wealth, women, and every comfort imaginable. Caesar however never consulted with the gladiator, or asked him for his "wisdom" and view on life. When the gladiator became old and could no longer fight, it was his turn in the lion pit.

Calling him the one of the greatest players in Browns history is a stretch for me. I just don't see him as having done jack schidt. Again, what analytical data can you give me to demonstrate his favorable impact? Did we improve in running? passing? 3d down conversion? QB stability? Wins? Titles? Championships? Can you demonstrate one analytical that got better with him on the team?

The only thing spectacular about Joe Thomas was his longevity. Hardly an HOF accomplishment.

Every year 16 teams get into the NFL playoffs. All of them with a serviceable LT, most of them with several holding down the position. The position, while important, is simply not difficult to fill. Now, I get it, we have not had a lot to cheer about, but I am sorry because not having much to cheer about doesn't lower the bar for me. It isn't enough for me to just buy into some BS about " we are building for the future",  "we are amassing assets" and "you just can't see it, we are finally doing it the right way"

It isn't enough for me to have a secret society worship party for JT and celebrate him in some goofy "at least we have him" campfire celebration. 

Facts are facts. There are many, many, many athletes who do a very good job at LT. Joe Thomas simply has not delivered any measurable results over his entire career. All this crap about, "if we didn't have him, or QBs would have gotten destroyed", is absolute horse manure. Nobody knows what would have happened if we never drafted JT. I could just as credibly make the argument that if we didn't waste the pick on JT but instead found a play maler, and filled the LT with a low round pick, we would have been progressing on the right track long ago.

You guys life and die by analyic BS, so you don't get to defend JT by saying "this would have happened if we didn't have him". 

His position is important, but a lot of guys can do just as well, and a lot of guys do. The team is 1 - 22 with this great future HOF'er, so forgive me if I am not defecating my pants at the thought of him being hurt. The net result of Joe Thomas playing? Losses, Lots of losses. And what of his leadership? Joking on the sidelines when his team is getting destroyed? What of his mentoring ability? For as great as he supposedly is, you would have thought he might have improved the OL play around him.

So, no, I have no regrets about stating my views. He served well, now its time to get him the hell out of here, boot him in the butt, trade him, cut him, or whatever, and get some new blood in here. Time to focus on getting a new head coach, a QB, some WRs and TEs. This Joe THomas stuff is pure mental masturbation.

@wargograw said:

It’s really sad being subject to the cycles of Ghoolie’s life. Guy’s grieving and we get nice Ghoolie. Browns fan Ghoolie. He starts to recover and the worthless poster comes out. Really weird. 

It is days of our ghoolie isnt it? 

@clevfan4life said:

Thats so wrong ghoolie. I understand to an extent ur gripe about not having playmakers but JT was one of the greatest browns in history and he never left. Telling him to run along? Cmon dude

It’s really sad being subject to the cycles of Ghoolie’s life. Guy’s grieving and we get nice Ghoolie. Browns fan Ghoolie. He starts to recover and the worthless poster comes out. Really weird. 

@ghoolie said:

Thanks for your service Joe, now run along.

Thats so wrong ghoolie. I understand to an extent ur gripe about not having playmakers but JT was one of the greatest browns in history and he never left. Telling him to run along? Cmon dude

@ghoolie said:

Those teams had playmakers, They didn't have the total vacuum of playmakers the Browns did. TOTALLY different issue.

Ur right ghoolie but the feeling in the nfl usually is that everything stsrts with the qb. Sonu can have calvin johnson on the team and it doesnt mean Sheet if the qb is on his butt 2 sec after the snap. 

Joe didnt have much of  an impact because the rest of the line was habitual garbage. Teams just moved their primary edge rushers to the right side. 

Thanks for your service Joe, now run along.