@tour2ma said:

1st pick? His initials are "QB".

And beyond that?  

Some say who shot JR.  Some say SD...Carmen San Diego.   Some say JA....Junior Achievement  Some silly people even say BM...Bowel Movement.

I say that MR is as good a bet as any.  And I love the holidays:

@tour2ma said:

1st pick? His initials are "QB".

What position does Quentin Brown play ?

@baconhound said:

My bad on Mack.

Unfortunately for as much tape as you watch you shouldn't be as qualified to make draft decisions as the front office of an NFL team.  The front office is evaluated on players they select and players they don't.  There is a huge difference between the Browns passing on Dak & Wilson and allowing Philly to move up to take Wentz or Houston to move up and take Watson.

Well... you are right of course about the amount of tape I watch. While I think it's pretty high for an amateur, it's nothing compared to what I'd see were doing so was my profession. That said... where I chose to specialize, an area of positions where I have at least a limited playing background, the OL, I think my takes, which often run counter to mainstream thinking, stack up pretty well with the Pros. Problem is there is a very limited number of folks who want to discuss the OL to any depth, so I branch out for conversation to QBs, RBs, etc.

Scouts tend to positionally "specialize" as well, but not to the extent that they are blind to any kid catching their eye.

Please explain your "huge difference". I honestly do not see it. Spotting/ missing talent at any position in any round seems like the same process to me. The stakes are higher the earlier in the draft you are picking, raising the required certainty level... but that's the game isn't it?

@tour2ma said:

Mack is not in the Sashi time frame.... so there's that. But for the record, I wanted him, too... badly. I could not believe he fell to us.

As for Bosa, Wentz and Watson.... I had questions about all them, so I guess I am fired as well. However, there was no consensus on here for any of them prior to their Drafts. It has only formed in hindsight.

My bad on Mack.

Unfortunately for as much tape as you watch you shouldn't be as qualified to make draft decisions as the front office of an NFL team.  The front office is evaluated on players they select and players they don't.  There is a huge difference between the Browns passing on Dak & Wilson and allowing Philly to move up to take Wentz or Houston to move up and take Watson.

@baconhound said:

I know they could've drafted Mack, Bosa, Wentz or Watson and chose not to.

Mack is not in the Sashi time frame.... so there's that. But for the record, I wanted him, too... badly. I could not believe he fell to us.

As for Bosa, Wentz and Watson.... I had questions about all them, so I guess I am fired as well. However, there was no consensus on here for any of them prior to their Drafts. It has only formed in hindsight.

@tour2ma said:

One, you don't know that. There has been turnover in the scouting department.

But assuming you are correct, patience and the simple fact that no FO is perfect only buys so much time.

I know they could've drafted Mack, Bosa, Wentz or Watson and chose not to.

Despite a perceived lack of quality at the QB position, the likelihood is that - because of need - as many as six QBs get taken in the first round.  If that is indeed the case and the Browns are drafting 1st and 7th (Houston's pick) I'd be fine with taking Derwin James, Safety out of FSU and arguably the best player in the draft, and then taking a QB with the 7th pick.  If the Browns have a definite favorite at QB, trade up to take him 2nd or 3rd. 

This doesn't guarantee that the QB position would be solved for the Browns, but it would probably guarantee that the Browns' defense has its safeties for the next five years.

@baconhound said:

They've been able to pass on talented players with zero consequences thus far.

One, you don't know that. There has been turnover in the scouting department.

But assuming you are correct, patience and the simple fact that no FO is perfect only buys so much time.

@tour2ma said:

So would passing over another QB who was worth the pick.

Saw real hope for Kizer today. Still some time left in the season to verify.

I can still see spending a high pick, acquiring a vet via trade or FA , e.g. Alex Smith, and keeping Kizer.

They've been able to pass on talented players with zero consequences thus far.

@baconhound said:

That would be a gutsy move.  Taking a QB in the first round seals the fate of the front office either way.

So would passing over another QB who was worth the pick.

Saw real hope for Kizer today. Still some time left in the season to verify.

I can still see spending a high pick, acquiring a vet via trade or FA , e.g. Alex Smith, and keeping Kizer.

@baconhound said:

That would be a gutsy move.  Taking a QB in the first round seals the fate of the front office either way.

Just steer clear of taking one #22 overall.

@tour2ma said:

1st pick? His initials are "QB".

That would be a gutsy move.  Taking a QB in the first round seals the fate of the front office either way.

  But comparing stats is bullhockey. Starkel may very well be a star prospect later. But he has Christian Kirk, who I think will be the new Antonio Brown, something like him anyways. Kirk will surely go in the first round of the draft. Allen doesn't have anyone like that, not even close. He also has Keith Ford - Allen doesn't have that either.

  The last 3-4? years, Tex AM has had three offensive linemen selected in the first round of the NFL draft. Right now, though, I can't say they have a solid oline, but Kirk helps with that. I just don't get comparing offensive stats and using that as a solid indicator of the quality of the qb.

  Therefore, Starkel has a dynamic, outstanding wr to throw to. Allen - doesn't have that.

http://www.thepress.net/sports/national/croome-texas-a-m-s-kirk-has-big-night-for/article_b1a64f87-ebba-5a5d-8b71-51d72c1859b0.html

As an aside, Ridley, for Alabama...had 5 receptions for a freaking 171 yards. I like Ridley and Kirk as a second pick overall

for the Browns. They are both what the Browns don't have at all. and need, desperately.

and speaking of qb's, First Look has some interesting perspectives on some players:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000814722/article/first-look-scouting-wyoming-qb-josh-allen

@calfoxwc said:

the bs mountain gets higher and higher. You can't draft freshmen, Ag. Allen btw, did get hurt - that happens when

the oline is not competitive, and wr's aren't the best. Wyoming already had a three TD lead.

I was just fooling around with the RS freshman, though he did demonstrate superior progressions and an accurate arm with the ability to get it downfield. Maybe 2019 when he becomes eligible. BTW he is the one that got us the huge lead against UCLA before breaking an ankle at the end of the 1st half. The true freshman just could not move the team and disaster ensued.

I did see the injury to Allen on the double pass play in the 1st half and wondered why his coach didn't catch it right away. Shoulder separation maybe?

the oline is not competitive, and wr's aren't the best. Wyoming already had a three TD lead.

@d-bone said:

Welcome to the dark side! Once you go Pac 12, you'll never go back .

Nah-I called Dak from NFL, Jr. (SEC).

BTW-A&M RS Fr. Starkel had over 400 yd. passing and 4 TDs 21of 30 against N.M. in one half. Far cry better than that QB from Wyoming against the same team. Passes were on the money even when dropped. Two intentionally thrown away. J. Allen is a joke. He needs to really show against a weak AF defense tonight.

https://www.google.com/amp/collegefootballnews.com/2017/09/2018-nfl-draft-rashaad-penny-mwwire-mcgovern/amp

@texasag1969 said:

Since I think those two are the best on the field, I'll record that USC-UCLA game.

Welcome to the dark side! Once you go Pac 12, you'll never go back .

@hoorta said:

Cal will be so upset Allen isn't there... 

LOL. Not at all ! There are plenty of disagreements about Allen.   I look at stats as more of a tie-breaker, not a given set

of standards that qbs have to meet. Darnold is a player, but his fumbles drop him on my good qb list. That that mean he

doesn't sense pressure? That he is so dumb he can't learn to hold onto the ball in traffic? Small hands? Doesn't take to coaching...

or means not much really?  It's hard to use the "doesn't have a solid cast around him so..." excuse for that....I just don't know.

All we need is for him to enter the Draft.

@sd_tom said:

My buddy who's a ucla guy says Darnold sucks (go figure) and that ucla sucks so bad it's hard to know with  rosen. If he had decent guys around him,  he'd have some  really killer stats compared to now

The little I saw of Darnold (I've got today's game taping for a better look) he's light years ahead of where Kizer was @ Notre Dame. 

@lbc-mike said:

We have to pull the trigger this year on a qb in the first round and a wr.

QB si, WR? Depends if Gordon hasn't been suspended yet by April. Almost want a CB with that second first rounder. 

@ballpeen said:

I like Calvin Ridley , Bama

So do I. 

@the-gipper said:

And Look at CBS Top Ten.....see who is at #1 overall:

2018 TOP NFL DRAFT PROSPECTS
RK	PLAYER	POS	POS RK	SCHOOL	CLASS	HT	WT
1	Mason Rudolph	QB	2	Oklahoma State	Sr	6-5	230
2	Minkah Fitzpatrick	FS	1	Alabama	Jr	6-1	201
3	Saquon Barkley	RB	2	Penn State	Jr	5-11	223
4	Quenton Nelson	OG	1	Notre Dame	Sr	6-5	329
5	Derwin James	SS	1	Florida State	Soph	6-3	211
6	James Washington	WR	2	Oklahoma State	Sr	6-0	205
7	Bradley Chubb	DE	3	NC State	Sr	6-4	275
8	Orlando Brown	OT	5	Oklahoma	Jr	6-8	360
9	Ogbonnia Okoronkwo	DE	0	Oklahoma	Sr	6-1	242
10	Mike McGlinchey	OT	1	Notre Dame	Sr	6-8	312
11	Courtland Sutton	WR	0	Southern Methodist	Soph	6-4	215
12	Bryce Love	RB	0	Stanford	Jr	5-10	191

Har, no other QB prospect in the top 10? Really?    Cal will be so upset Allen isn't there... 

Of course I don't like this listing either.  To paraphrase a famous line from the Wizard of Oz, I do believe in the Heisman jinx, I do believe in the Heisman jinx.... http://walterfootball.com/draft2018QB.php

And having a guard #1 prospect? nuts, but Rudolph is nowhere to be seen..  https://www.si.com/2018-nfl-draft-big-board-rankings-top-players