Yes... Yes, I do, O.

@the-gipper said:

Browns have had the GOAT at QB.  Call us when Brady catches up to the number of championships that Otto Graham has.   (Just so you know....he needs 2 more)

As for how Otto's wife looked, I think likely that Brady has him beat there:

i 100% totally agree. put otto graham, jim brown, joe thomas, ozzie newsome, paul warfield on offense and the OG dawgpound D right now on the field against anyone else in the league and i'd surely bet big money that they would be playing in the superbowl. but then again i lose bets every year vs stooler fans and it looks like ghoolie is getting a free bottle of rum on my cuff along with the shirt he already is wearing. fuggin buttercups.

@texasag1969 said:

Just a play on "Trinity" as in Holy Trinity as in Triple Option.

@the-gipper said:

I went to a couple of their games....one here when they played Case WRU,  and once down there (my daughter's final game as a Cheerleader).....honestly I don't recall them running the triple option...but they may have....and yea, they would have done it better.

Are you implying that Hue should go that route (no worse than what he has been doing).....and then go after Lamar Jackson?

Just a play on "Trinity" as in Holy Trinity as in Triple Option.

@texasag1969 said:

So therefore he knows how to run the triple option better than Hue?

I went to a couple of their games....one here when they played Case WRU,  and once down there (my daughter's final game as a Cheerleader).....honestly I don't recall them running the triple option...but they may have....and yea, they would have done it better.

Are you implying that Hue should go that route (no worse than what he has been doing).....and then go after Lamar Jackson?

@the-gipper said:

The guy that played Barney...the Dinosaur, went to Trinity U.  there in S.A.  (same as my daughter).

So therefore he knows how to run the triple option better than Hue?

@texasag1969 said:

Depends. Is that Barney Fife or Barney Dinosaur? Regardless I take either Barney over the 3 owners.

The guy that played Barney...the Dinosaur, went to Trinity U.  there in S.A.  (same as my daughter).

@the-gipper said:

compare Modell to the Lerners and Jimmy Haslam......that is like asking :   Who is smarter:  Barney,  Gomer, or Goober?

What we certainly have not had is an  Andy.

Depends. Is that Barney Fife or Barney Dinosaur? Regardless I take either Barney over the 3 owners.

@stinkhole said:

I am not old enough to remember any of those titles except for one.  So that is no fuhucking excuse.  Most Steeler fans don't remember the titles won in the 70s...but that does not keep them from hyping them up.....and they have no more affiliation or recollection of those than we do for the 1920s or 1940s titles won around here

Because its all about the Super Bowl man!

NFL fans across the country don't need to be reminded of the Steelers Super Bowl titles,  which make Steeler fans hyping them up rational ....regardless of whether they remember them or not.

Whereas you having to remind NE fans of the browns "titles" in order to save face will only get you laughed out of the place.

Super Bowls are the only thing that matters.

Except...you ARE wrong.  People DO have to be reminded about steelers Super Bowls just as much as they do about pre Super Bowl titles.  Maybe you don't because you are a Steeler fan.....but the fact is, the rest of the country has no more affiliation with old Steeler titles than they do old Browns titles.  Your esoteric thinking is just that:  you only consider things that are relevant to yourself...not the world in general.   Of course, we know that you lack the intellect an insight to know that.

sure it means alot as a franchise base but that base has to stay fluid and current with the times. most millennials were born between the years of modell moving to baltimore and the NFL reinstating the team. kids nowadays (like everyone else) live under the 'what have you done lately' category and if that's what it is WE Fuhuck the millenials......they need to learn that there are things called books that they can read shite in......or, there is this thing called Google that they can look shite up in. 

What have you done lately is what we all live by.  But that does not mean that  they should be a bunch of fuhucking know nothings because things positive haven't happened lately.

That's just it. 

Sad that you have to resort to history books to find out the last time the browns were good...and more sad that you actually expect people to.

What I expect is for people to NOT be ignorant.  But, of course, I understand that that is TOO much to expect of you and most steeler fans.

Isaac Asimov had all yinzers sussed out:

There is a cult of ignorance in (Western Pennsylvania) , and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through (their) political and cultural (and social) life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge. Isaac Asimov
 

@miktoxic said:

and the bruins and celtics mean nothing to them as well.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! i lived there when they still had the OG boston garden and you couldn't get near the place within miles. foxborough is by walpole correct? it's like saying ur a NYC fan and driving to buffalo.

yeah the patriots and the kraft/belichick/brady legacy will just dry up and fade away.

browns fans wish they could sniff brady's fingers as to how many lombardi trophies he's touched let alone his supermodel's quiff.

Browns have had the GOAT at QB.  Call us when Brady catches up to the number of championships that Otto Graham has.   (Just so you know....he needs 2 more)

As for how Otto's wife looked, I think likely that Brady has him beat there:

@miktoxic said:

the browns record with modell as owner vs without. simple enough for ya?

Well, if you are looking at that, then you have to not only look at the last 19 years, but also the first 17 as well. 

I am not going to look at the overall regular season record, but without Modell they had 7 championships to one with him.

And I mean....if on the other hand you say:  compare Modell to the Lerners and Jimmy Haslam......that is like asking :   Who is smarter:  Barney,  Gomer, or Goober?

What we certainly have not had is an  Andy.

@stinkhole said:

Got that Orion?....Them titles will surely put Pat fans in their place and in awe! lol

Seriously don't...it will only embarrass you more.

And they are JUST as relevant as any title ever won by the Steelers.  More so, actually....because there are more than double of them.

A Ten year old title is no more relevant than a 50 year old title.

Besides....as noted....Pats fans have the ONLY title that currently counts.

No...this is aimed directly at stupid Steeler fans.  

@the-gipper said:

I am not old enough to remember any of those titles except for one.  So that is no fuhucking excuse.  Most Steeler fans don't remember the titles won in the 70s...but that does not keep them from hyping them up.....and they have no more affiliation or recollection of those than we do for the 1920s or 1940s titles won around here

Because its all about the Super Bowl man!

NFL fans across the country don't need to be reminded of the Steelers Super Bowl titles,  which make Steeler fans hyping them up rational ....regardless of whether they remember them or not.

Whereas you having to remind NE fans of the browns "titles" in order to save face will only get you laughed out of the place.

Super Bowls are the only thing that matters.

sure it means alot as a franchise base but that base has to stay fluid and current with the times. most millennials were born between the years of modell moving to baltimore and the NFL reinstating the team. kids nowadays (like everyone else) live under the 'what have you done lately' category and if that's what it is WE Fuhuck the millenials......they need to learn that there are things called books that they can read shite in......or, there is this thing called Google that they can look shite up in. 

What have you done lately is what we all live by.  But that does not mean that  they should be a bunch of fuhucking know nothings because things positive haven't happened lately.

That's just it. 

Sad that you have to resort to history books to find out the last time the browns were good...and more sad that you actually expect people to.

@miktoxic said:

and the bruins and celtics mean nothing to them as well.

You're being sarcastic I'm sure.   They DO love their Celts & Bruins.....But the RedSox are king in New England.

@orion said:

Everything is great for football in New England.  They'll have history of their own to look back on (something they haven't had before).  But make no mistake, when/if the Patriots stink in the years post-Brady their fan base will disappear.  Because they're all 'really' RedSox fans.

He's so nice that he threw Crow under the bus when he pushed that pitch - toss nowhere near him a few weeks ago.

and the bruins and celtics mean nothing to them as well.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! i lived there when they still had the OG boston garden and you couldn't get near the place within miles. foxborough is by walpole correct? it's like saying ur a NYC fan and driving to buffalo.

yeah the patriots and the kraft/belichick/brady legacy will just dry up and fade away.

browns fans wish they could sniff brady's fingers as to how many lombardi trophies he's touched let alone his supermodel's quiff.

@stinkhole said:

Got that Orion?....Them titles will surely put Pat fans in their place and in awe! lol

Seriously don't...it will only embarrass you more.

Everything is great for football in New England.  They'll have history of their own to look back on (something they haven't had before).  But make no mistake, when/if the Patriots stink in the years post-Brady their fan base will disappear.  Because they're all 'really' RedSox fans.

@ghoolie said:

Kizer is a nice kid. I think he is not very good right now, but he is a nice kid.

He's so nice that he threw Crow under the bus when he pushed that pitch - toss nowhere near him a few weeks ago.

@the-gipper said:

the browns record with modell as owner vs without. simple enough for ya?

@stinkhole said:

Got that Orion?....Them titles will surely put Pat fans in awe of you! lol

Seriously don't...it will only embarrass you more.

Eat a dick steeler fag.

@the-gipper said:

Thirteen Championships.   Tell them to call you when they catch up halfway to that number.

(NE has only 6 now:  1 by the Providence Steam Roller, 5 now by the Pats)

And, if you need to tell them when these were, they were as follows:

1920 

1922

1923

1924

1945

1946

1947

1948

1949

1950

1954

1955

1964

And if they say....those are old, tell them that the only titles that count are the last one and the next one.  All others are history, be they 1920 or 2014....that the 2014 title is no more signifant today than the ones from the 1920s.   Congratulate them on the one and only title that counts....but that is as far as it goes.

Got that Orion?....Them titles will surely put Pat fans in their place and in awe! lol

Seriously don't...it will only embarrass you more.

Because it makes sense that Kizer is a run-first QB who also holds onto the ball too long looking for someone to get open, thus getting sacked.

Some people on this board may indulge your shenanigans, but I'm not one of them.

@dutch-oven said:

Modell bought the Browns 15 years after they started in 1946, with black players on that first roster.

You also referred to our black QB as a "monkey" and a "gorilla" on the Tavern. You would have been one of those white people screaming at Modell  when he did whatever you think he did, even though he didn't.

Go ahead dumb guy. I would love to read your ignorant response.

Kizer is a nice kid. I think he is not very good right now, but he is a nice kid. He is, in every aspect of the phrase another Black Tarkenton. He is an athletic black kid who was put in the QB because of his great athletic skills and then before the pros, taught to run run run.... first first first.......................... then these kids get to the NFL and juggernaut around in the backfield and don't know whether to Schidt or go blind when the real playing starts.

Doug Williams and Warren Moon were two exceptions. SOmeone taught these guys classic QB skills and they were both very impressive. Steve McNair, one of the best pure passers I have ever seen had his career shortened by assshole Jeff Fisher who tried to make the great QB run, a la, a black Tarkenton.

I always ask, why is it that every damned black QB pro/prospect comes with a reputation for being a double threat? 

Do you guys not think it is a sign of racism that the only black QBs that make it to the pros are fast, fleet of feet guys? I mean, isn't that an underlying racist issue right there? In essence this says to us that all blacks are fast. Isn't it racist that there has NEVER been a Black Bernie, Fouts, Stabler or Marino? Are slow black kids too dumb to shred defenses with a fast release?

Kizer has gotten a raw deal from a lot of different angles. This kid is NOT a garbage pick. He isn't a monkey, and he is no dummy. You can't ask the kid to perform in a new setting at the ultimate level, and then ask him to do with jackoffs that can't catch a football. If this kid had the Steelers or Pats receivers, the difference would be the Browns would be 3 - 5  maybe even 4-4. In that case, instead of calling the kid names we would be bitching that we need a few other players and fine tuning to really be good.

How the hell does any QB go into this mess, not having the confidence that it is his team and he can faulk up as much as he needs to faulk up? What part of "give the goddamned team to the get and let him learn by getting the red butt?

Sorry, but there is no fauhking way I believe Joe Flaccido has more smarts and skills than this young man. For the love of god, stick with the kid already.

@miktoxic said:

i guess modell drafting one of the first black nfl players meant nothing.....and then another while white people screamed at him.

go ahead smart guy. i wanna hear your arrogant response.

Modell bought the Browns 15 years after they started in 1946, with black players on that first roster.

You also referred to our black QB as a "monkey" and a "gorilla" on the Tavern. You would have been one of those white people screaming at Modell  when he did whatever you think he did, even though he didn't.

Go ahead dumb guy. I would love to read your ignorant response.

@miktoxic said:

dude when all that there is left you break out the 'titles' argument. don't act now like you don't know.

Sorry if the facts get in the way of your delusions....or in the way of your desire to self emasculate.

i guess modell drafting one of the first black nfl players meant nothing.....and then another while white people screamed at him.

What the Shmuck are you talking about?  Modell didn't buy the team until like 1962....and the Browns had already had Black Hall of Famers playing for them......Willis, Motley, Jim Brown, etc. etc etc. 

and excuse me, what is the record that the browns (that he let name and record stay in cleveland,,,,yeah he let it. could've said Shmuck you) have since he moved the OG browns to what it is now?

EXACTLY!!!!

go ahead smart guy. i wanna hear your arrogant response.

My response is two fold:  whatever you said just now there is incomprehensible because it sounds like you are drunk....so please try to repeat what you asked....and secondly....it again sounds like you have no clue as to what the Shmuck the facts are.