@wargograw said:

They certainly don't help.

The ownership's attention is already there. What you're suggesting would do nothing.

Haven't heard his take on the 0-8 start, the Mccarron fail, lack of quality play from the offense, lack of impact of the past 2 years first rounders, etc.

@flyingfooldoug said:

You're correct, that's absolutely right. The media and the fans are why the Cleveland Browns are 0-8 this year

They certainly don't help.

@baconhound said:

Make it uncomfortable.  That coupled with lack of fan participation may get ownerships attention.

The ownership's attention is already there. What you're suggesting would do nothing.

@flyingfooldoug said:

I know you guys don't care for mkc. But she actually talks to players routinely. None of you do.

She gives me a boner. I like her. Why does it matter what she writes? You guys are homos.

@wargograw said:

They can’t hold a presser every time the media makes up some fake news. Hue is supportive of Sashi every times it’s brought up. 

We’ll look like a joke as long as people are making up stories and our fans fall for them no matter how absurd they are. 

I'm hoping you watched Sashi's presser.  In all honesty do you believe he answered the question about the Mccarron debacle or deflected?

@wargograw said:

They can’t hold a presser every time the media makes up some fake news. Hue is supportive of Sashi every times it’s brought up. 

We’ll look like a joke as long as people are making up stories and our fans fall for them no matter how absurd they are. 

the fans have and continue to be unbelievably supportive of this clown show considering the product.  24 games into a disastrous tenure, they are still mostly coming to games.  Yes the stadium isn't full on game day, but honestly thats the nature of the in-game experience of the nfl in 2017.  Even for many teams that dont suck, the stadiums only appear somewhat full.  But considering the product on the field lately, Im impressed the fans have done as well as they have.  Its certainly far more support than they deserve based on the product.

@wargograw said:

Ok. And what would that do?

Make it uncomfortable.  That coupled with lack of fan participation may get ownerships attention.

@dutch-oven said:

Since 92.3 became a sports station, I think I've listened to 30 seconds on WKNR.

For every hour of WKNR, there's 10 minutes of content and 50 minutes of commercials, news tickers, weather updates, etc.

And don't forget stupid movie reviews.

I like Zegura's Cle Browns Daily, that's about it.

@wargograw said:

They can’t hold a presser every time the media makes up some fake news. Hue is supportive of Sashi every times it’s brought up. 

We’ll look like a joke as long as people are making up stories and our fans fall for them no matter how absurd they are. 

You're correct, that's absolutely right. The media and the fans are why the Cleveland Browns are 0-8 this year

We’ll look like a joke as long as people are making up stories and our fans fall for them no matter how absurd they are. 

@wargograw said:

Ok. And what would that do?

maybe not make it look like that they are cluelessly throwing darts, and don't know what the hell we're doing. also, it would provide stability if Sashi told us him and Hue were on the same page and that all of the gossip is just cowpoop. All the stories such as the botched trade and Dee going nuclear make us look like a joke. I think as fans we have a right to see what the direction we're headed in is.

@baconhound said:

Absolutely not I've gone on record as saying I think Hue and the front office should be brought back.  That the media can't ask direct questions.  Hue and Sashi don't have to answer questions but they should be asked.  Hue needs to be asked if a strong offensive line can overcome deficiencies in the WR and QB position.  Hue needs to be asked what players this offense needs to add to be successful.  Hue needs to be asked if the line was strengthened to the level many believe it was why are they not deeper.  Williams needs to be asked why Peppers is being asked to play a position that doesn't seem to match his skill set.  Sashi needs to be asked about the McCarron trade.  Sashi needs to be asked about Kenny Britt a high profile free agent.  Sashi needs to be asked how he'd evaluate the actual production of Coleman, Garrett, Peppers and Njoku and needs to be pressed on how they stack up against talent the Browns passed on.

Just because I don't want them fired doesn't mean they can put out any schit product and I have to blindly support it because they are my team. 

Ok. And what would that do?

@dutch-oven said:

Nonsense.

Stop playing the victim.

It's 2017, how the NFL gave the Browns little time to get started in '99 has NOTHING to do with this team today. It's not the referees fault, or Goodell's fault. The Browns are where they are today because they have done a poor job with acquiring talented players.

sorry, but that is what I meant when I said: " and the whole biz of trying to build the team into a winner was screwed up over the years. "

it was the poor drafting, poor hc's, etc etc etc. Like how the heck would I blame mike junkin, richardson, etc etc etc etc etc

on the NFL?

@calfoxwc said:

it isn't just the media that wants to have the Browns fail. The Browns were screwed over in 99 as an expansion team,

and the whole biz of trying to build the team into a winner was screwed up over the years. The NFL apparently hated us

for demanding our team back, we can't catch a break from referees OR Goodhell. I posted this over on the other board,

to get comments there...but go over there and read up on goodhell and this whole, entire keoperschmuck mess.

Nonsense.

Stop playing the victim.

It's 2017, how the NFL gave the Browns little time to get started in '99 has NOTHING to do with this team today. It's not the referees fault, or Goodell's fault. The Browns are where they are today because they have done a poor job with acquiring talented players.

@londonbrown said:

it isn't just the media that wants to have the Browns fail. The Browns were screwed over in 99 as an expansion team,

and the whole biz of trying to build the team into a winner was screwed up over the years. The NFL apparently hated us

for demanding our team back, we can't catch a break from referees OR Goodhell. I posted this over on the other board,

to get comments there...but go over there and read up on goodhell and this whole, entire keoperschmuck mess.

@wargograw said:

So what do you recommend? Fire everyone every year instead of every two years? Yeah, that'd work. 

Absolutely not I've gone on record as saying I think Hue and the front office should be brought back.  That the media can't ask direct questions.  Hue and Sashi don't have to answer questions but they should be asked.  Hue needs to be asked if a strong offensive line can overcome deficiencies in the WR and QB position.  Hue needs to be asked what players this offense needs to add to be successful.  Hue needs to be asked if the line was strengthened to the level many believe it was why are they not deeper.  Williams needs to be asked why Peppers is being asked to play a position that doesn't seem to match his skill set.  Sashi needs to be asked about the McCarron trade.  Sashi needs to be asked about Kenny Britt a high profile free agent.  Sashi needs to be asked how he'd evaluate the actual production of Coleman, Garrett, Peppers and Njoku and needs to be pressed on how they stack up against talent the Browns passed on.

Just because I don't want them fired doesn't mean they can put out any schit product and I have to blindly support it because they are my team. 

@baconhound said:

I blame the media, for not being harder on the organization.  Can you imagine if the Giants went on a run like this?  No one asks difficult questions in the pressroom and Hue is allowed to play the same tune every week.  The team Shmucking stinks and has stunk for 10 years.  This is what floors me.  This team has won more than 5 games ONCE in the last 10 years, a stellar 7-9 record and fans keep the faith and blame everyone except for the players and front office.  The coaches and now the media are to blame, smh.

So what do you recommend? Fire everyone every year instead of every two years? Yeah, that'd work. 

@londonbrown said:

Didn't have to read very much to know this was going to be dumbass post....... or a post by a dumbass???

@dutch-oven said:

Since 92.3 became a sports station, I think I've listened to 30 seconds on WKNR.

For every hour of WKNR, there's 10 minutes of content and 50 minutes of commercials, news tickers, weather updates, etc.

It is horrible with the commercials there.   It would be interesting to see an accurate accounting of how much time they really devote to things other than sports.   I know, on occasion that I would have them on on my way to the office....which is like 8.2 miles from my house.  If I turn it on somewhere near the top of the hour, I can practically go from home to the office and they will be on commercials etc. the entire time.

And I also wonder how they compare in this regard to 92.3.

Also...I have vowed to never buy the products that they push so hard with their commercials.  Bee bullshite,  windows, etc.    Though, there is one major exception:  ACME.  I worked for ACME for 5 years in college...and they DO have just about the best prices around on groceries.  Plus, the ACME spots that KNR runs are not as constant, voluminous, and obnoxious as a lot of their other ads.

For every hour of WKNR, there's 10 minutes of content and 50 minutes of commercials, news tickers, weather updates, etc.

@stinkhole said:

Goldhammer is a patronizing dbag...pretends to be outraged at the browns situation when on the inside he is loving it. Pretends to want to see Cleveland sports teams to do well when he really doesn't. Pretends to be disappointed when Cleveland teams lose when on the inside he gloats to himself when they do.

Anyone should be able see right through that little twat, and some caller needs to call him out on it.

Possibly accurate.  It was at least for like his first 5 years on the air.  Maybe since then he has come around some though.

@roycerolls said:

Aaron Goldhammer is the one whose career is built upon the Browns being bad. Goldhammer doesn’t make ya laugh and his takes are boring. While he may be unfunny and uninteresting, he’s not stupid. He understands that he still has to move the needle so to speak, so he trolls Browns and buckeye fans endlessly.  If the Browns are ever good he will have to play the role of the unfunny boring guy pretending he was rooting for the Browns all along which isn’t nearly as compelling as whipping these browns fans into a froth. 

Goldhammer is a patronizing dbag...pretends to be outraged at the browns situation when on the inside he is loving it. Pretends to want to see Cleveland sports teams to do well when he really doesn't. Pretends to be disappointed when Cleveland teams lose when on the inside he gloats to himself when they do.

Anyone should be able see right through that little twat, and some caller needs to call him out on it.

@hoorta said:

Doug, you're mucking up your links! I couldn't open them yesterday either, so I fixed them. Your downloading an unopenable file somhow. To get them to work- if you're say on cleveland.com copy the address in the title bar. Then come back here and in your post there's an icon up top next to B I U that looks like a paper clip. Click on it, hit paste in the URL box and insert into post.

If you need more help PM me.

Thanks, I guess my tech skills show my age. I'll work on it. Bet I get it figured out before Stosh figures out a winning roster tho.lol