I mean they've missed the playoffs entirely TWICE... and lost a WC game...

Oh, the agony!

@tour2ma said:

No one said it'd be easy...

I guess it never is unless you're Tom Brady or Bill Belichick. 

@tour2ma said:

What a concept!

Sashi & Co have cold-stoned nailed the value of every player "we let walk". Schwartz... Pryor... Haden... all signed for either the same or slightly less money than what we offered.

Rewarding Joe T... This isn't "PR". It's an incentive to be sure one of the two or three best LTs in the game today returns from his first, have to sit out, injury of his career. And it sets up an extension when we can actually can begin to see around the corner in 2018. And the beauty is we will be able to afford his newly established pay level for 2 to 3 additional years.

Yep, sure has been some strange bi-lines and other BROWNS chatter in this 2017 season, actually I used to be a big X & O's and more pure football talk guy but the 1-fer and possible 0-fer seasons has got me off my game........more like being on the clock again, in weeks 7, 8, 9, 10.

@wargograw said:

Valuations....

@wargograw said:

Maybe that's because he knows what he's doing.

What a concept!

Sashi & Co have cold-stoned nailed the value of every player "we let walk". Schwartz... Pryor... Haden... all signed for either the same or slightly less money than what we offered.

Rewarding Joe T... This isn't "PR". It's an incentive to be sure one of the two or three best LTs in the game today returns from his first, have to sit out, injury of his career. And it sets up an extension when we can actually can begin to see around the corner in 2018. And the beauty is we will be able to afford his newly established pay level for 2 to 3 additional years.

@wargograw said:

Maybe that's because he knows what he's doing.

Or at least he thinks he knows what he's doing.  The drunk guy at 3am thinks he's NASCAR worthy but that isn't necessarily true.

@baconhound said:

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/Sashi-Brown-We-can-always-get-better-and-look-to-get-better/0cab1d5a-d35b-4c38-b86c-f9241d7cf6bc

Look at his demeanor.  He is calm, cool and collected acting like the team is in a good position for success.  He's smiling throughout the schit show.  His job's safe regardless of the misses he's made.  If a McDonald's worker forgets the sauce for Mcnuggets they get torn a new one, this clown has looked like a fool and no one acts raises an eyebrow.

"We are going to make progress moving forward" Browns mantra since 1999.

What gets me is his lack of accountability or taking responsibility, fuking hilarious

Maybe that's because he knows what he's doing.

@canton-dawg said:

Contracts...yep, trades...yep, player evaluations...just no.

Valuations....

@hoorta said:

Definitely, and an enticement to come back for one more year... 

He's in the last year (2018) of his contract, so no big deal IMHO. Hardball comes in 2019. Consider it a "lifetime achievement award". We have tons of cap room to afford it- but you have to wonder why give Joe the raise and not keep the other Joe (Haden) around?  

https://overthecap.com/calculator/cleveland-browns/ 

Because the other Joe had availability issues and sub par performances...

@baconhound said:

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/Sashi-Brown-We-can-always-get-better-and-look-to-get-better/0cab1d5a-d35b-4c38-b86c-f9241d7cf6bc

Look at his demeanor.  He is calm, cool and collected acting like the team is in a good position for success.  He's smiling throughout the schit show.  His job's safe regardless of the misses he's made.  If a McDonald's worker forgets the sauce for Mcnuggets they get torn a new one, this clown has looked like a fool and no one acts raises an eyebrow.

"We are going to make progress"

obviously they can't get worse Sashi. Setting the bar this low means obvious we'll make progress.

@wargograw said:

You said “do the Browns simply overpay players for no reason? Smh.” Despite the fact that this FO has been nails with contracts, trades, and player valuations. 

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/Sashi-Brown-We-can-always-get-better-and-look-to-get-better/0cab1d5a-d35b-4c38-b86c-f9241d7cf6bc

Look at his demeanor.  He is calm, cool and collected acting like the team is in a good position for success.  He's smiling throughout the schit show.  His job's safe regardless of the misses he's made.  If a McDonald's worker forgets the sauce for Mcnuggets they get torn a new one, this clown has looked like a fool and no one acts raises an eyebrow.

"We are going to make progress moving forward" Browns mantra since 1999.

What gets me is his lack of accountability or taking responsibility, fuking hilarious

@baconhound said:

Overpaid Collins and possibly Taylor but I get the fact if they want talent they may have to pay a bit more than market to retain or bring it in.  Unless there is something they are disclosing about Thomas this was throwing money away or as someone else pointed out a lifetime achievement.  Paying players for past performance in the NFL is not good business.

It was a PR move.

@wargograw said:

You said “do the Browns simply overpay players for no reason? Smh.” Despite the fact that this FO has been nails with contracts, trades, and player valuations. 

Overpaid Collins and possibly Taylor but I get the fact if they want talent they may have to pay a bit more than market to retain or bring it in.  Unless there is something they are disclosing about Thomas this was throwing money away or as someone else pointed out a lifetime achievement.  Paying players for past performance in the NFL is not good business.

@baconhound said:

Sorry $3.  Completely under contract for next season with no discussion of him leaving Cleveland.  The Patriots would not have made this move.  The NFL is a cruel business with no room for sentiment, unless you're a Browns fan.

CORRECTAMUNDO. Belichik would have traded Thomas, ESPECIALLY since we have a low cost scrub who just demonstrated he can do the job just as well.

@mld-woody said:

PR move

Definitely, and an enticement to come back for one more year... 

@baconhound said:

Sorry $3.  Completely under contract for next season with no discussion of him leaving Cleveland.  The Patriots would not have made this move.  The NFL is a cruel business with no room for sentiment, unless you're a Browns fan.

He's in the last year (2018) of his contract, so no big deal IMHO. Hardball comes in 2019. Consider it a "lifetime achievement award". We have tons of cap room to afford it- but you have to wonder why give Joe the raise and not keep the other Joe (Haden) around?  

https://overthecap.com/calculator/cleveland-browns/ 

@wargograw said:

Despite the fact that this FO has been nails with contracts, trades, and player valuations. 

Contracts...yep, trades...yep, player evaluations...just no.

@baconhound said:

Sorry $3.  Completely under contract for next season with no discussion of him leaving Cleveland.  The Patriots would not have made this move.  The NFL is a cruel business with no room for sentiment, unless you're a Browns fan.

You said “do the Browns simply overpay players for no reason? Smh.” Despite the fact that this FO has been nails with contracts, trades, and player valuations. 

@tour2ma said:

Most excellent...

How many years?

no additional years.  Not my money so I dont care.

@mld-woody said:

PR move

I tend to agree but if that's the case what does that say about us as fans.  Successful NFL teams have treated talent horribly in the name of winning and their fan base seems ok with it.  In recent memory the Pats and Eagles come to mind.

@mld-woody said:

PR move

Maybe somewhat or an (unspoken) admission of how bad this organization both past and present has screwed up since 1999 despite adequate opportunities to draft high and get it right.

@gumby73 said:

tell this to the rookie QB's blindside JT's protecting..what trade interest was shown in JT last 2 seasons? last i read was Farmer to Denver?  

There have been teams reported to have interest.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-trade-deadline-rumors-heres-what-the-browns-want-for-star-tackle-joe-thomas/

My point is Joe isn't actively saying he wants out.  He has made in known several times he wants to stay in Cleveland.  If he has said to management, "I expect my bonuses or I'm walking" I'm fine with the team paying him but make that known.  Sashi can walk up to the mic and say Joe Thomas asked to be the highest paid O-Lineman and based on his past performance in Cleveland we decided to make it happen.  The Browns would be one of the few, if not only, NFL team to pay a player for past performance but hey guys can feel great about wearing their Thomas jersey.

@wargograw said:

 When criticizing this FO, at least make an attempt to be somewhat within the real of reality. 

Sorry $3.  Completely under contract for next season with no discussion of him leaving Cleveland.  The Patriots would not have made this move.  The NFL is a cruel business with no room for sentiment, unless you're a Browns fan.

At least our big$ QB gets to play today.