@tour2ma said:

But Brady is Brady... and Eli is not...

Granted....and great use of Chevy Chase by you.   I still think he'd be a decent enough fill in for a few years for a team like Jacksonville.   If I was in the FO of the Jags I would recognize that QB is holding back the team and I would do whatever I had to do to fix that.  Eli, Alex Smith, Cousins, Phil Rivers any would make them near the top of the AFC over night.

@tour2ma said:

I don't see Eli being around long enough to be a good choice, but he certainly could put them over the top for a season.

Well, that is all they would really want him for. Bring in Eli, get a young new QB...and play Eli until he is no longer productive...or until the young QB is ready...which could be a couple of years. In the mean time....they would believe they have a potential championship contender.

The Cousins $$$ competition looks like it'll be ridiculous... even with a likely reduced interest in SF. Smith's trade value is also likely to rise, but could still be "reasonable" given his age and KC potential interest in moving him.

Salary cap... I wrote about this a month ago when I raised his name for us.

I don't know why his salary would be an issue for them next year under the cap....if he is already under contract.  Did you say he was or was not going to be a FA after this year? Even there, how much is Alex Smith going to command?

@tour2ma said:

I don't see Eli being around long enough to be a good choice, but he certainly could put them over the top for a season.

Eli is only 36 years old.   Brady is still going at 40...Eli could give them 2 or 3 decent years and with that Jags defense and Fournette at RB, hell..they'd be a force in the AFC each year.  Would probably be worth it if I was the Jags. 

@mark-o said:

The Jags defense is for real and Fournette is really good as well.  They may be a decent QB away from being one of the best in the AFC.   Cousins, Alex Smith or sure maybe Eli would all be in play for the Jags. 

I don't see Eli being around long enough to be a good choice, but he certainly could put them over the top for a season.

The Cousins $$$ competition looks like it'll be ridiculous... even with a likely reduced interest in SF. Smith's trade value is also likely to rise, but could still be "reasonable" given his age and KC potential interest in moving him.

@the-gipper said:

Why Alex Smith?  Is he an FA after the season?

Salary cap... I wrote about this a month ago when I raised his name for us.

@baconhound said:

This is correct but the problem you can run into is not being able to bring the guy in when the franchise is ready.  While Tim Couch and David Carr got f'd look at the Jags.  They are ready but Bortles isn't the guy and no guarantee you get him in this years draft.

Agree... I was a staunch "QB first" guy as that is when you are most likely in position to nab "the guy". But this FO, our FO, has shown me another path. So now, to my mind the order is situational. If you believe you see a generational QB talent, you take him, if/when you are in a position to do so. Then the question becomes: do you play him day one?

If in the alternative you choose to build around a journeyman QB and manage to milk a few wins out of that team you can win your way out of position to land "the guy". Look no further than the Jets and what McC has done there.

I think it is clear now that what we, our FO, have done is have it both ways... to let our trio of inexperienced QBs dictate our path. Had any one of them risen to the level it would take to win with a yet incomplete Offense and, to a lesser extent, Defense, then he should be our answer to the position. But if, as has turned out to be the case, none did rise, at least not quickly enough to impact the season, then we are once again in position to have our pick of the litter.

@the-gipper said:

I wouldn't if I were them.  Maybe after next year....but not after this year....not as long as they are a serious contender.

Probably not till 2019

@mark-o said:

I think the Chiefs will want to move on from him to play Mahomes. 

I wouldn't if I were them.  Maybe after next year....but not after this year....not as long as they are a serious contender.

@the-gipper said:

Why Alex Smith?  Is he an FA after the season?

I think the Chiefs will want to move on from him to play Mahomes. 

@mark-o said:

The Jags defense is for real and Fournette is really good as well.  They may be a decent QB away from being one of the best in the AFC.   Cousins, Alex Smith or sure maybe Eli would all be in play for the Jags. 

Why Alex Smith?  Is he an FA after the season?

@stillmotion said:

Jags or Vikings could realistically win it all this year.

Vikings could....I don't think the Jags can because they'll get Bortled at some point and he will cost them a game.   It's the only chance the Browns have this weekend if his Blake Bortles himself and gives the Browns like 14 points, otherwise I don't see us having enough offense against their defense and eventually Fournette will wear down our defense.   

@mark-o said:

The Jags defense is for real and Fournette is really good as well.  They may be a decent QB away from being one of the best in the AFC.   Cousins, Alex Smith or sure maybe Eli would all be in play for the Jags. 

Jags or Vikings could realistically win it all this year.

@the-gipper said:

Jags may be one of those teams that will bring in a veteran proven winner.  Some have speculated that it would be no surprise if Eli Manning ended up with his old coach Tom Coughlin in JAX  next year.

The Jags defense is for real and Fournette is really good as well.  They may be a decent QB away from being one of the best in the AFC.   Cousins, Alex Smith or sure maybe Eli would all be in play for the Jags. 

@baconhound said:

This is correct but the problem you can run into is not being able to bring the guy in when the franchise is ready.  While Tim Couch and David Carr got f'd look at the Jags.  They are ready but Bortles isn't the guy and no guarantee you get him in this years draft.

Jags may be one of those teams that will bring in a veteran proven winner.  Some have speculated that it would be no surprise if Eli Manning ended up with his old coach Tom Coughlin in JAX  next year.

@mld-woody said:

You build a team for the QB first, then get the QB.

This is correct but the problem you can run into is not being able to bring the guy in when the franchise is ready.  While Tim Couch and David Carr got f'd look at the Jags.  They are ready but Bortles isn't the guy and no guarantee you get him in this years draft.

@wargograw said:

Well considering I live in Cowboys country, I do see/hear them first hand. And they are tremendously supportive. Delusionally so quite often. So you're wrong on that.

Nope, no cowboy fans around here either. I really don't understand your post or your point of view. I thought nobody sez anything to you about football. If you come here, I'll get you some lake perch and fresh walleye. But finding any public browns gear would be tough

@flyingfooldoug said:

It can't be the fans fault. There aren't hardly any left. Look at the home games. More visiting fans than homers. Look around the area. Nothing with brown and orange is visible. Lots of Tribe and Cavs gear tho. You do see stool gear out that you never would have saw in the past. The media? Try NYC, Boston or Dallas sports media for awhile and you will think Cleveland sports media wears kid gloves. Happy no football season from northeast Ohio!

Well considering I live in Cowboys country, I do see/hear them first hand. And they are tremendously supportive. Delusionally so quite often. So you're wrong on that.

@miktoxic said:

build a team around them? when do they ask that of DEs, RBs, WRs, CBs etc. etc.

RBs and WRs are the only ones on that list whose performance is significantly dependent on others. 

@tacosman said:

Ive never acted like Carson Wentz would 'bring the team a super bowl'.  Another troll-level argument on your part.  There is some middle ground between 1-23 and super bowl you know.

Stats?  I've posted stats throughout on the matter....as for 'being skewed', thats the nature of things.  Likewise, if you remove the best two or three games from the browns defense you get a points allowed total that is even much worse than near the bottom of the league where it is now.  Thats why you just look at the data as a whole...which shows the browns defense, while not as bad as their offense, is still pretty bad.

There's a difference between hyperbole and trolling. You say there's middle ground, yet if we win 1 you want to fire everyone, when we were winning 4-5 you wanted to fire everyone. You will always want to fire everyone with no idea on how to actually fix anything.

I haven't seen you post anything. You've SAID our defense sucks and run D means nothing. And you've overexaggerated some games over and above the entire resume. I haven't seen any actual stats. Your attempt at summarizing them means nothing to me. 

@tacosman said:

Again with this continued nonsense that the players and coaches are performing worse because of 'the fans'.  Where is the data or any evidence base to suggest such nonsense?  Every single post you make is nothing but one cliched thought after another.  My favorite one of yours is that fans are going to 'run a qb out of town'.  Never mind the fact that this is completely impossible and although kizer, hogan, and kessler continue to perform at historically bad levels they haven't been 'run out of town' yet.

But go ahead....spout some other meaningless cliche without any evidence base.

The evidence is in Browns season 1999-2016. Fans wanted almost every one of those regimes fired. They got what they wanted. And we still suck. Now we want to fire everyone again. What more evidence do you need? 

At least two of Kizer, Hogan, and Kessler won't be here by the end of 2018, and at least one of them won't be here for next season. I never said they get run out of town based on one or two bad games, so the fact that it hasn't happened YET means absolutely nothing. But make no mistake it will happen. 

@tacosman said:

if the osweiler trade was a good trade and the value of a 2nd round pick is 16 million, then what does it say about throwing away a 2nd round pick on kizer?

these trolls cant have it both ways......

Not just Kizer, but apparently McCarron [whose actual value is equivalent to Kessler at best] is $16M plus a 3rd?

@tacosman said:

if the osweiler trade was a good trade and the value of a 2nd round pick is 16 million, then what does it say about throwing away a 2nd round pick on kizer?

these trolls cant have it both ways......

Then they were willing to trade a 2nd & 3rd for Andy Dalton's backup. 

Try to figure that out??!!

@stillmotion said:

I was trying to make the point he's a lawyer with an addiction to playing draft pick monopoly, nothing more, nothing less.

if the osweiler trade was a good trade and the value of a 2nd round pick is 16 million, then what does it say about throwing away a 2nd round pick on kizer?

these trolls cant have it both ways......