@texasag1969 said:

I've told my wife every time we get back from Europe 5-10 lbs lighter that my new weight loss program is just to move there because you walk constantly and there are very few fast food joints just sitting on the corner.

It's slow food and no better for you than McD's... but you walk to the restaurant.

@nero said:

About walking, I guess in USA it's not that normal, but it has to do with urban design.

Including some streets so narrow cars cannot do down them...

@texasag1969 said:

Yes, I like the little "city states" we found in both Spain and Italy with the walls still around the inner city in many of them. A lot of history to walk through. The city wall around Ciudad Rodrigo is intact and can be walked around on the top with great views even down to an old Roman built bridge across the river below.

The more accurate concept is 'fortified cities', I would say.

If you like that, then you can have a look at my city. We got one of the best conserved citadels in Europe and still mantain the northern wall that protected the old city. If I had a better internet where I am at the moment I would post pics, heh.

@nero said:

Well, I guess it depends where you're going on a travel. I mean, in Basque Country and Navarre (Spain), you go to a restaurant and eat A LOT. About walking, I guess in USA it's not that normal, but it has to do with urban design. Cities there are completely designed following a big grid plan with huge distances that make it more necessary to get the car to go anywhere. Here cities have many historic layers (roman, gothic medieval, baroque, XIX-XX century grid-like expansion districts...) and are built in more defensive positions, so the terrain is not flat almost anywhere.

Yes, I like the little "city states" we found in both Spain and Italy with the walls still around the inner city in many of them. A lot of history to walk through. The city wall around Ciudad Rodrigo is intact and can be walked around on the top with great views even down to an old Roman built bridge across the river below.

@texasag1969 said:

I've told my wife every time we get back from Europe 5-10 lbs lighter that my new weight loss program is just to move there because you walk constantly and there are very few fast food joints just sitting on the corner.

Well, I guess it depends where you're going on a travel. I mean, in Basque Country and Navarre (Spain), you go to a restaurant and eat A LOT. About walking, I guess in USA it's not that normal, but it has to do with urban design. Cities there are completely designed following a big grid plan with huge distances that make it more necessary to get the car to go anywhere. Here cities have many historic layers (roman, gothic medieval, baroque, XIX-XX century grid-like expansion districts...) and are built in more defensive positions, so the terrain is not flat almost anywhere.

@clevfan4life said:

in some categories yes our defense is better than the rams. They also benefit from an offense that can control the ball etc, etc. There's many variables. I'm very sure they have positions where they're more talented and we have positions where we're more talented. I'm not going to outright say we have a better defense than theirs because I haven't watched them play. But I do know they have one of the best offense's in football. #3 overall. 5th in rushing and 6th in passing I believe. In any case, top 3 offense. That's why they're 7-2. And good for them. Come playoff time, that defense will have to likely step it up and if they do that could be an NFC championship team. Nobody's beating the Patriots tho so it doesn't matter. But please, could you please look sht up before you type stuff out? Would it have killed you to say "you know maybe I should look where the Rams offense is before I make baseless random statements."

Why look shit up...i can look at the standings and they are a better team.  The offense is better, the defense is better, special teams are better and the coaching staff is better.   They are 7-2 and we are 0-9.  Who's better?   

As its already been pointed out to you....they are near the top in POINTS ALLOWED, and I think that's a bit better than whatever stats you were using to say the Browns defense was 6th and 9th or whatever the hell stats you had.  

You can look at whatever lame ass stats you want to convince yourself that the Browns are better than they really are....but they're 0-9 and the HC needs to go.  If that means we lose the rest of these 0-9 coaches...so be it.

@d-bone said:

That's her sister Courtney, but still a good effort! 

Whoops...  my bad

 Dumbasses!

@tour2ma said:

And wrong it nay yet turn out to be... but it needs a real chance.

As for the weight... issue will be there I had a reason to walk... it's part of the general life style and moreso when you visit to see stuff. Here? If I walk, more than the weekly shopping trip, then it's to walk... a/k/a boring as hell.

I've told my wife every time we get back from Europe 5-10 lbs lighter that my new weight loss program is just to move there because you walk constantly and there are very few fast food joints just sitting on the corner.

@d-bone said:

This my friends was what a REAL Process looked like:

Interesting that you brought this period of time up.

How many QBs were drafted with first round pick and started the first game during that rebuild process?

How many head coaches were fired within two years or less of hiring?  Defensive Coords?  Offensive Coords?

How many GMs and every other FO person were flushed?

Was it a rebuild through draft only?

Did they go from 3-13 to 16-0 and win a championship in a single season?

Why wasn't the team sold, everyone fired during or after the 1992 season, all the players traded, a QB drafted and started in the first game for 1993, then?

@logicisforsquares said:

I started Brazilian jiu jitsu when I was too young to appreciate it. I started back up in my 30s and have stuck with it. You are correct. Finding that physical activity that you actually enjoy is super important. I don’t mind lifting weights but I wouldn’t call it fun. And running has never given me a ‘high’. 

Nice! I also lift (Bro) a couple times a week, and have most of my life, but just like you I don't think it's fun.... it's freakin' exercise. As for running? Only if I had the ball, was chasing someone with the ball, running from a predator or was on fire and panicking. 

@d-bone said:

^ and that sir is the secret that most people can't find...... If you can find something that you love and is truly fun to do, then it's never exercise - much like that phrase that I unfortunately never found: "If you do something you love, you'll never work a day in your life"..... That's way easier said than done I know. 

For me, I'm lucky enough to absolutely love Mountain Biking and it just so happens to be probably one of the most demanding forms of exercise that I have ever done in my life. Hopefully I'll be able to do it well past my 50th on Saturday...... < Still can't believe I just typed that, as I'm still 25 in my mind.  

I started Brazilian jiu jitsu when I was too young to appreciate it. I started back up in my 30s and have stuck with it. You are correct. Finding that physical activity that you actually enjoy is super important. I don’t mind lifting weights but I wouldn’t call it fun. And running has never given me a ‘high’. 

@mark-o said:

Yeah...our defense is ranked higher than the Rams....so the Browns defense is better than the Rams defense.  

in some categories yes our defense is better than the rams. They also benefit from an offense that can control the ball etc, etc. There's many variables. I'm very sure they have positions where they're more talented and we have positions where we're more talented. I'm not going to outright say we have a better defense than theirs because I haven't watched them play. But I do know they have one of the best offense's in football. #3 overall. 5th in rushing and 6th in passing I believe. In any case, top 3 offense. That's why they're 7-2. And good for them. Come playoff time, that defense will have to likely step it up and if they do that could be an NFC championship team. Nobody's beating the Patriots tho so it doesn't matter. But please, could you please look sht up before you type stuff out? Would it have killed you to say "you know maybe I should look where the Rams offense is before I make baseless random statements."

@logicisforsquares said:

That is why prison rape has been changed to the slang term “the process”. 

“I just Browns’d up and went to the showers when Jerome was in there. Nearly got out through ‘The Process’ “.

Holy Hell dude!! I literally snorted on that one. 

@tour2ma said:

As for the weight... issue will be there I had a reason to walk... it's part of the general life style and moreso when you visit to see stuff. Here? If I walk, more than the weekly shopping trip, then it's to walk... a/k/a boring as hell.

^ and that sir is the secret that most people can't find...... If you can find something that you love and is truly fun to do, then it's never exercise - much like that phrase that I unfortunately never found: "If you do something you love, you'll never work a day in your life"..... That's way easier said than done I know. 

For me, I'm lucky enough to absolutely love Mountain Biking and it just so happens to be probably one of the most demanding forms of exercise that I have ever done in my life. Hopefully I'll be able to do it well past my 50th on Saturday...... < Still can't believe I just typed that, as I'm still 25 in my mind.  

@dawgs89 said:

This team has a very serious chance at going 0-16. 

That is why prison rape has been changed to the slang term “the process”. 

“I just Browns’d up and went to the showers when Jerome was in there. Nearly got put through ‘The Process’ “.

@d-bone said:

Fair enough with your opinion of where we are in The Process....... (even if it's wrong) 

Awesome news regarding your weight as that is not easy to do when on vacation - very impressive! Now, can you sustain that, as that's what The Process is all about right, sustainability?

And wrong it nay yet turn out to be... but it needs a real chance.

As for the weight... issue will be there I had a reason to walk... it's part of the general life style and moreso when you visit to see stuff. Here? If I walk, more than the weekly shopping trip, then it's to walk... a/k/a boring as hell.

@mark-o said:

Mrs. Graham Rahal....good for her.  

That's her sister Courtney, but still a good effort! 

@dutch-oven said:

I have a feeling there were next to no players from the '85-89 run on that 1994 team Tour.

The 1989 team was on fumes, they kind of backed into the playoffs after a good start to the season. Belichick pretty much rebuilt the Browns, that was part of the reason he was so disliked, he held no loyalty to players from the late 80s teams.

Likely and agree...

'89 was the year we realized Marty's playoff issues might not have been so bad after all (and '90 confirmed it), but '94 is not the fair comparison as it was near the end of Bill's process. Let's look at his beginning.

1990

1991

@d-bone said:

........... and on a super positive note, Brittany Force won the NHRA Top Fuel title today! 

Mrs. Graham Rahal....good for her.  

@tour2ma said:

Getting a lil personal talking about my weight... aren't you? Putting the "personal" in PT?

Specific point is there was a core in those late 80's teams upon which to build... a franchise QB for starters. Bud Carson was simply not the HC to build it. And, in the end, neither was Arcosi the GM to do so. And remember.... Bernie "Diminished Skills" Kosar was the keystone in the tear down's third year.

General point was my continuing battle against this "quick turn" myth that will not die.

As for the Process... it really began this past off-season. We are nowhere near your 4-month, PT parallel... more like Week 2... we're stiff and sore and irritable as hell and wondering WTF we are paying someone to do this to us.

BTW I lost 5 pounds trooping around London and France for two weeks... but my weight redistribution was much more impressive. Guess that's what averaging over 7 miles a day while eating french cooking (and baking) will do to even an old fart like me.

Fair enough with your opinion of where we are in The Process....... (even if it's wrong) 

Awesome news regarding your weight as that is not easy to do when on vacation - very impressive! Now, can you sustain that, as that's what The Process is all about right, sustainability? 

........... and on a super positive note, Brittany Force won the NHRA Top Fuel title today! 

@d-bone said:

Well, I guess us people (me) see the 3-13 season that preceded that reboot *rebuild? (don't know what's politically correct 'round here these days) and can recall just how bad that roster was before the next FO and Coach took over...... Hell, how long do we need to go back and look at the records prior to a reboot for it to count? 1 year? (apparently not) 2, 3, 5, 10, 17< see what I did there? 

To me and my average brain, any laymen should be able to see signs of progress within any sucessful rebuild of any kind...... Hell, if I was your personal trainer hired by you to get you into shape and your goal was to lose 30lbs of fat and gain 5lbs of muscle, I would assume that you would expect to see results 4 months into my Process... No? 

Would you still be happy stepping on the scale and seeing it say that you GAINED 3lbs, while bench pressing less than you could before you even met me, but yet I continued to tell you how much healthier you are on the inside and you'll have a big breakthrough in the next month or two if you just stay the course?

Speaking for only myself, I see that the Browns have gained weight, and an awful lot of it, since The Process began.

Getting a lil personal talking about my weight... aren't you? Putting the "personal" in PT?

Specific point is there was a core in those late 80's teams upon which to build... a franchise QB for starters. Bud Carson was simply not the HC to build it. And, in the end, neither was Arcosi the GM to do so. And remember.... Bernie "Diminished Skills" Kosar was the keystone in the tear down's third year.

General point was my continuing battle against this "quick turn" myth that will not die.

As for the Process... it really began this past off-season. We are nowhere near your 4-month, PT parallel... more like Week 2... we're stiff and sore and irritable as hell and wondering WTF we are paying someone to do this to us.

BTW I lost 5 pounds trooping around London and France for two weeks... but my weight redistribution was much more impressive. Guess that's what averaging over 7 miles a day while eating french cooking (and baking) will do to even an old fart like me.

@dutch-oven said:

The Browns aren't fat, they are big-boned.

You just won the internet for today.....